Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker at Speaker's Corner earlier today

379 replies

SunsetBeetch · 19/07/2020 17:32

Enjoy. Ovaries of steel, this woman.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
6
DidoLamenting · 06/09/2020 20:28

I see that like Dawn Butler she supports the attempts to shut down newspapers. That is a disgraceful attitude for an academic to hold.

DidoLamenting · 06/09/2020 20:29

Sorry "she" in my last post refers to the appalling Sally Hines.

SunsetBeetch · 06/09/2020 21:38

@DidoLamenting

I see that like Dawn Butler she supports the attempts to shut down newspapers. That is a disgraceful attitude for an academic to hold.
It is. And even more so for a politician. Although I'm not surprised about Dawn Butler at all.
OP posts:
DidoLamenting · 06/09/2020 22:58

I don't whole heartedly subscribe to the idea that further education should solely have the aim of enabling the student to find a job at the end of it.

However it would be nice if students thought twice about incurring significant debt in these troubled and uncertain times and didn't sign up for Hines' courses.

needaMNnamegenerator · 07/09/2020 00:19

@DialSquare

Magdalen Berns was so outspoken and most feminists (including me) loved her for it. Posie Parker is just as outspoken in her own way and she is 'divisive'? I don't get it.

This is a really good point. Could it be that the "purity" feminists are actually showing their own ingrained bias here? That because Magdalen was a lesbian she is treated differently to Posie who is heterosexual and a suburban housewife?

Nah - it's because Magdalen was a zillion times more politically astute than Posie.

Posie is divisive as she's great at PR, but she doesn't have a solid political analysis underpinning what she does. She shoots first and asks questions later and does maddeningly stupid things like going on an actual Nazi's youtube channel.

Having said that Magdalen and Posie got on I believe?

BlackForestCake · 07/09/2020 01:58

I think Posie does have a political analysis, it's just one that a lot of us wouldn't like very much.

BlackForestCake · 07/09/2020 02:02

To clarify, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with living outside a city if that’s your thing (though I do have a bit of an issue with farmers)

Of course she has an issue with farmers, because farmers understand sexual reproduction of mammals.

unwashedanddazed · 07/09/2020 02:23

Nah - it's because Magdalen was a zillion times more politically astute than Posie

I would argue that Magdalen was a zillion times more politically rigid than Posie. If you listen to Posie she talks often about her shift away from the left (although I would argue that the left shifted away from its origins). She's flexible enough to give consideration to any idea put to her, no matter which end of the political spectrum it comes from. She has one concern - the rights of girls and women. It doesn't need rigid political analysis, it needs a laser focus on the goal.

Politics has shifted all over the place in the last 20 years or so. Under Clinton in the USA and Blair in the UK the left moved significantly to the right and these last few years have seen it being dragged back towards Marxism (of a kind). You can try applying a solid political analysis but it'll get exhausting while everything around you is moving.

People call her anti-intellectual yet she has a theology degree. She acknowledges her privilege in being able to afford to stay home and raise her children as she wants. All this suburban housewife snobbery from the academics does them no favours. Her BLM video has something like 15k views in a few days. I doubt 15k people have read the condemnation from the academics.

BovaryX · 07/09/2020 09:46

@ArabellaScott

Hines now seems to be claiming that all some women need (if they disagree with her) is a good seeing too, as far as I can tell from this tweet.

twitter.com/sally_hines/status/1301659550043516929

'the ideology of fuckers. *who probably don't do enough fucking'

This is the state of our feminist academics, in 2020.

Good grief. That really is basement level. As you say, a grim representation of the academy.
TinselAngel · 07/09/2020 10:05

I just cannot get my head around her being an actual professor at a reputable university.

BovaryX · 07/09/2020 10:07

@TinselAngel

I just cannot get my head around her being an actual professor at a reputable university.
Tinsel

It's shocking, isn't it? Utterly dire.

BovaryX · 07/09/2020 10:09

@DidoLamenting

I see that like Dawn Butler she supports the attempts to shut down newspapers. That is a disgraceful attitude for an academic to hold.
At least ER are making explicit their absolute contempt for freedom of speech and freedom of the press. As for Dawn Butler? No surprise there.
KatVonlabonk · 07/09/2020 10:23

Diary of a Professor of Bantz and Feelz (emotional age 13 3/4) 4th Sept 12.15 AM

Dear Diary/ Dairy lol

I've been thinking dead hard about people who disagree with me. I've decided, hic, it's because they are STUPID FUCKRS HA HA HA HA HA HA hic. I feel this, and I'm a Professor of Feelz, so that's like totes peer reviewed. Ha. Not only are they stupid, but I bet they REALLY NEED A SHAG. They don't get shags because they believe in dull stuff like biological sex. Ha. The whole queer community rejects them and only queers have sex, it's totes true.

I'm sure I've written about this before, so it's definitely correct.... hic. I bet they vote Tory too.
Ha ha loser, stupid, fridged, tory, b
tches.

I think dairy/ diary, whatever you are, lol, that this is my BEST argue thing yet. My university are going to be so proud of me. They never knew such peaks of intel
intellec.... ummmm clever, could be reached.

But I FEEL so i KNOW.

HA. lol zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Diary of a Professor of Bantz and Feelz (emotional age 13 3/4) 4th Sept 11.45 AM

offfft diary, my head, I didn't do anything embarrassing last night did I?............

NonnyMouse1337 · 07/09/2020 10:26

Professor of Bantz and Feelz

I propose this should be an actual title bestowed on certain people. Grin

BovaryX · 07/09/2020 11:07

@KatVonlabonk

Diary of a Professor of Bantz and Feelz (emotional age 13 3/4) 4th Sept 12.15 AM

Dear Diary/ Dairy lol

I've been thinking dead hard about people who disagree with me. I've decided, hic, it's because they are STUPID FUCKRS HA HA HA HA HA HA hic. I feel this, and I'm a Professor of Feelz, so that's like totes peer reviewed. Ha. Not only are they stupid, but I bet they REALLY NEED A SHAG. They don't get shags because they believe in dull stuff like biological sex. Ha. The whole queer community rejects them and only queers have sex, it's totes true.

I'm sure I've written about this before, so it's definitely correct.... hic. I bet they vote Tory too.
Ha ha loser, stupid, fridged, tory, b
tches.

I think dairy/ diary, whatever you are, lol, that this is my BEST argue thing yet. My university are going to be so proud of me. They never knew such peaks of intel
intellec.... ummmm clever, could be reached.

But I FEEL so i KNOW.

HA. lol zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Diary of a Professor of Bantz and Feelz (emotional age 13 3/4) 4th Sept 11.45 AM

offfft diary, my head, I didn't do anything embarrassing last night did I?............

Grin
Antibles · 07/09/2020 11:26

Sneering at "suburban housewives"? Thinks angry women just need more sex?? Does Sally identify as a sexist bloke from the 70s?

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/09/2020 11:31

@KatVonlabonk The Diary is glorious! Grin

I really do think you should make it a regular thing

PotholeParadise · 07/09/2020 13:29

Apropos of nothing, I think sex work/prostitution is immensely damaging to mental health. There's a stereotype of drug-addiction that goes with it, and there's truth in that. Even the women who didn't turn to prostitution/sex work because of substance misuse (but for other reasons) start self-medicating afterwards, with drugs or alcohol, to cope with sex work.

I wonder what Dr Hines, who is very positive publicly about funding her studies through sex work, would say about this.

DianasLasso · 07/09/2020 13:48

Somehow I doubt that Prof Hines lives in the inner city near the university (Woodhouse, Hyde Park, Little London...) Most of the academics there live in leafier areas like Roundhay, Headingly, etc. There's a name for those... my housewifely brain is trying to remember... oh yes, "leafy suburbs."

And I'd bet the house on her not living in Holbeck.

But yeah, the "she needs a good fuck" line is one that I've always associated with a certain type of Neanderthal deeply misogynistic man. So disappointing to see it from a self-styled feminist.

BovaryX · 07/09/2020 13:53

[quote BoreOfWhabylon]@KatVonlabonk The Diary is glorious! Grin

I really do think you should make it a regular thing[/quote]
I agree, the diary is superb. It deserves a spot in Private Eye.

Quillink · 07/09/2020 14:32

Posie is divisive as she's great at PR, but she doesn't have a solid political analysis underpinning what she does. She shoots first and asks questions later and does maddeningly stupid things like going on an actual Nazi's youtube channel.

An actual Nazi? Who and in which context? She's a free speecher but I'd be surprised.

If PP lacks solid political analysis that's because she is now politically homeless like so many of us. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Women can form opinions on issues which affect us and those we love without having to politically justify them. And I don't think she is nearly as divisive as some people would hope.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 07/09/2020 15:34

I can’t remember which YouTuber it was that she accepted an invitation to have a conversation with, but a Canadian, I think. I believe she acknowledged later, when she knew more about the person, that it had been a mistake to share a platform with him.

Such is her keenness to get the word out, she’ll obviously talk to anyone who will listen. I can’t blame her for that and I won’t

Quillink · 07/09/2020 15:50

I believe she acknowledged later, when she knew more about the person, that it had been a mistake to share a platform with him.

That sounds more plausible. I can't imagine her falling in with actual Nazis. Particularly given her stance on free speech. Her opposition to political authoritarianism wouldn't be a good fit either.

Such is her keenness to get the word out, she’ll obviously talk to anyone who will listen. I can’t blame her for that and I won’t

Me neither. Her tactic has been extremely successful.

needaMNnamegenerator · 08/09/2020 00:01

I believe she acknowledged later, when she knew more about the person, that it had been a mistake to share a platform with him

Of course it was a mistake, he was a white supremacist. By her own admission, Posie didn't do any homework on him, other than a brief glance at his channel iIRC. All she needed to do was 10 minutes of googling. Or actually watch some of his videos.

Surely you see it's a massive own goal for someone who's already accused of racism to go on a nazi's YouTube?

But the issue that concerns me most is that the fallout from this affects all. When Posie does things like this it creates a convenient stick for the TRAs to beat us publicly with - and we're all tarred with the same brush.

Posie doesn't give a fuck about how her actions affect the perception of the feminist movement, though. She may have said it was a mistake, but it's not one she's learnt from, particularly. She still rushes into things without thinking and shrugs when the fallout hits the rest of us.

It's not to do with infighting or jealousy of Posie's platform. I love Posie's flair for PR and ability to reach people. The problem is that she sometimes has a negative impact on the rest of us, but has no interest in acknowledging this is a problem, much less actually doing something about it.

If PP lacks solid political analysis that's because she is now politically homeless like so many of us

I'm talking about analysis not allegiance.

Escapeplanning · 08/09/2020 00:05

Who is this "us" you claim to be speaking for?

Swipe left for the next trending thread