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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Of all people....Margaret Atwood ‘we’re all part of a flowing bellcurve’

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BubblegumFactory · 07/07/2020 00:14

Can’t link to Twitter so I took a screenshot.
I’m kind of in shock.
Anyone else seen this?

Of all people....Margaret Atwood ‘we’re all part of a flowing bellcurve’
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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 00:16

Someone needs to post that egg/spegg/sperg/sperm graphic for her.

RosieHen · 07/07/2020 00:18

Just seen this too... wtf is going on? Had to check incase it was a parody account. Sadly not

Goosefoot · 07/07/2020 00:20

Not a surprise if you've followed Atwood over the years.

Wolfgirrl · 07/07/2020 00:20

This is all so depressing and disappointing.

BubblegumFactory · 07/07/2020 00:21

Either she’s losing the plot or I am.
Confused

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SerenityNowwwww · 07/07/2020 00:21

I’ve met men
I’ve met women

That it all.

Fieldofgreycorn · 07/07/2020 00:23

Not a surprise if you've followed Atwood over the years.

Indeed.

BubblegumFactory · 07/07/2020 00:24

The problem with Twitter though, as far as I can see, is it’s such a massive ‘look at me’ platform, the place is littered with attention-seeking tweets rather than valid discussion. I hadn’t realised Atwood was in that category.

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RosieHen · 07/07/2020 00:25

@Goosefoot

Not a surprise if you've followed Atwood over the years.
Does she have form? I'm a fairly recent follower of hers on Twitter
Binglebong · 07/07/2020 00:28

FFS. She knows.

AmericanSlang · 07/07/2020 00:32

I can't believe that the woman who wrote The Handmaids Tale could tweet this unmitigated bullshit and follow it up with one about hermaphrodite fish. I fucking despair. What are they putting in the water in Canada, to make everyone lose their minds?

Goosefoot · 07/07/2020 00:33

RosieHen

Yeah, she's of the TWAW, as valid as other women, who cares about safe spaces, view.

Wolfgirrl · 07/07/2020 00:36

Fgs is there anyone out there bar JK and Glinners who has any respect for women, and doesnt just see us as validation for trans people? Or are they so scared the terf hunters will come after them that they would rather discredit a life's work than speak out for the truth?

ErrolTheDragon · 07/07/2020 00:39

No.... for some characteristics humans are one bell curve, for others, as a sexually dimorphic species there are two distinct bell curves, bimodal distribution. Height is an obvious example.

And for sex, there is no curve. It's a binary, including people with DSDs.

One of the drivers of our 'infinite variety' is, of course, sexual reproduction.

Atwood is a novelist, not a scientist or mathematician.

stumbledin · 07/07/2020 00:40

Link twitter.com/MargaretAtwood/status/1280273293333987335

Very strange to post this as it is 3 years old and there have been many articles since then saying that even with variants, there are biologically only 2 sexes.

Sometimes think she is part of an era of which ursula le guinn and in fact shulasmith firestone that want there not to be the biological reality of sex.

also she loves playing with words, so those of us who are more slow witted than her can often get caught out because we dont get the "joke"

Okay - I posted the wrong link twitter.com/MargaretAtwood/status/1280262917506641922 if you read this thread it seems that she has just had the revelation that one's sex and the social packaging of gender dont always match.

And quite a few comments are quite cross with her.

But disappointing as she also seems to be mixing in sexuality. What have gay penguins got to do with the biological reality of sex.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 07/07/2020 00:41

Wishful thinking isn't science.

RosieHen · 07/07/2020 00:48

@Goosefoot

RosieHen

Yeah, she's of the TWAW, as valid as other women, who cares about safe spaces, view.

I had no idea... that is disappointing Confused
notyourhandmaid · 07/07/2020 00:51

I despair.

BlackForestCake · 07/07/2020 00:55

Do you know what will not happen though? She will not be subjected to a flood of verbal abuse full of violent and sexual imagery from radical feminists.

Xanthangum · 07/07/2020 00:57

Jane Clare Jones is sorting her out...

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1280286446373535745?s=20

Xanthangum · 07/07/2020 01:00

(Actually, start here: twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1280274200381591559?s=20)

HeistSociety · 07/07/2020 01:00

Look, I love MA, and she's an incredibly versatile artist, but biology clearly isn't her strong suit.

mrbob · 07/07/2020 01:09

It IS actually slightly more nuanced than there just being men and women. Stepping aside from the trans debate which is different there is not ALWAYS XX or XY and the genetic make up doesn’t always match up totally with the expression of those genes in a physical way...

HeistSociety · 07/07/2020 01:12

OMG.

Don't pull a Margaret, Mr Bob.

Differences of sexual development are not different sexes. It's not complicated at all....except, perhaps, with CAIS women, who I personally consider social women, as they've been socialised as females since birth.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/07/2020 01:16

It IS actually slightly more nuanced than there just being men and women.

Slightly. And absolutely nothing like a bell curve with most people somewhere in the middle.