Of all people....Margaret Atwood ‘we’re all part of a flowing bellcurve’

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Can’t link to Twitter so I took a screenshot.
I’m kind of in shock.
Anyone else seen this?

How long until people start berating her for having no transwomen characters in Handmaid’s Tale?

I can imagine a few high profile trans activists fancying themselves in the green outfits of the wives...

That's already happened - the berating.

THT was 'too cis, too white'.

Yeah, reading through her tweet and subsequent comments, I think she's confused.

I know I said the same thing in another thread, but these articles in magazines like SA go a long way to convincing people that stuff like this is the scientific consensus.

While gender ideology may be on the back foot a little now in the UK, I think there is going to have to be refutations of these kind of articles to really affect the public consciousness. And it can't be things on websites that could be seen as biased, or even Youtube because that is not how a lot of people see public discourse. It needs to be newspapers or magazines or tv shows that are seen as strong unbiased journalism abd science information.

Bigger, forgot to star it out.

Bugger! Damn autocorrect.

@Goosefoot

Yeah, reading through her tweet and subsequent comments, I think she's confused.

I know I said the same thing in another thread, but these articles in magazines like SA go a long way to convincing people that stuff like this is the scientific consensus.

While gender ideology may be on the back foot a little now in the UK, I think there is going to have to be refutations of these kind of articles to really affect the public consciousness. And it can't be things on websites that could be seen as biased, or even Youtube because that is not how a lot of people see public discourse. It needs to be newspapers or magazines or tv shows that are seen as strong unbiased journalism abd science information.

That would require strong journalism; the death spiral of journalism via click bait doesn't lend itself to hope on this, and other, issues.

I could weep

MA lost all my respect when she personally invited the who’s who of CanLit to stand up for a man accused of sexual impropriety against a female student. She fucked over any hope of support for aspiring female writers and made it clear that male professors and supervisors should see their female students as fair game. They already did, because power, but MA rubber stamped it. Dont ever date to make a complaint ladies, you’ll never publish in this country again.
Yeah. Good writer. Not overly impressed by her decision making these days. Throwing women under the bus seems to be her forte of late.

Wow. Did not know that.

Was the accused man a personal friend? Not that that makes it any better.

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Wow. Did not know that.

Was the accused man a personal friend? Not that that makes it any better.

I don't think that's entirely a fair assessment of what happened.

You can read about it here:

www.vox.com/culture/2018/1/17/16897404/margaret-atwood-metoo-backlash-steven-galloway-ubc-accountable

Ta.

MA still doesn't come out of that well.

My creative writing Professor also was in a relationship with a same age student he was teaching, but at least he didn't slap students at parties!

Makes sense that MA would be wanting to re-establish her 'good feminist' credentials by mouthing the creed TWAW.

What are they drinking up there in Canada?

Meh. While I love some of her books she has always appeared in interviews as terribly pleased with herself, which I think can easily lead to a lack of critical thinking. For decades she has been Central Canada’s
literary darling and I imagine that world is quite the echo chamber. I’m not that surprised (Handmaid’s Tale notwithstanding).

I think the people in her books are weirdly soulless and disturbing. I made a good effort to read a bunch and some were required in school as part of CanLit, but I gave up in the end because they made me feel depressed.

I don't find her work depressing, but quite funny and poignant...

I do find her tweeting depressing though. Canada Lit sounds even more incestuous than Melbourne Lit.

I like the posts asking Margaret to give JK Rowling a call to clear things up. Atwood is my goddess ffs. I fear she's been bamboozled by her woke marketing interns. 2020 really sucks ass.

Maybe it's my cognitive dissonance, but Atwood wrote THE fucking book on sex-based oppression so I just have to believe she's being cognitively abused by wokesters.

The actual case for or against Galloway is irrelevant. She produced a culture by which every female student in an Eng Lit or Creative Writing university department, or any female lecturer or prof, felt unsafe and unable to discuss any abuse they had suffered for fear their career would be ended.
Several female authors backtracked their support after they had been asked by MA to sign the letter of support after feeling gaslit and pressured. She used her status and made university departments and the publishing industry less safe for women.

It went rapidly downhill... 😑

Mr Bob, the existence of DSDs has never prevented anyone from decising which sex shouldn’t access education or be recognised as ‘people’.

first100years.org.uk/a-woman-is-not-a-person-a-review-of-bebb-v-the-law-society-1914/

Neither does the existence of DSDs it lessen the consequences of not going through Male puberty or needing access to birth control.

Most mammals have biology that follows a predictable course. Hence the farming industry and hence 8 billion people on the planet and hence the need for sex based rights.

Has anyone linked her that video (which I confess I could not watch all the way through) with the Canadian woman talking about her experience in prisons full of transwomen?

If she doesn't get it then, she is a lost cause.

Honestly, I only look to Atwood for quirky dystopia and middling poetry. I certainly don't think she possesses authority on issues of imagined bell curves. So I kind of don't care. So long as she doesn't go in hard against JKR. Atwood is the better writer, but JKR is no slouch.

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The problem with Twitter though, as far as I can see, is it’s such a massive ‘look at me’ platform, the place is littered with attention-seeking tweets rather than valid discussion. I hadn’t realised Atwood was in that category.

This.