Showing that feminists don't all hate heterosexual male sexuality

[IronPyrites]

OK so I am talking about consensual adult sexuality only.

I think there is a feeling, imo an incorrect one, but still a feeling, among many straight men that feminism wants to impose celibacy on all straight men, and hates and derides any expression of male sexuality.
Now, while I think this is unfounded, I wonder sometimes if there is any mileage in perhaps showing some compassion for the difficulties that many straight men encounter in their personal lives in general, and perhaps even that the pain of sexual or romantic frustration is no less real (and perhaps heightened by societal expectations of the straight male stud) for this group of people than anyone else. I have nothing but contempt for the so-called incels who clearly despise and feel entitled to women, and for men who express disdain for and behave badly to women in other ways, but I do think it may do some good to counter the message that you sometimes hear that feminism is anti-men, and showing that there is probably a societal bias against and fear of male sexuality in general. I hope you understand what I mean.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socks_and_sandals
Did you know that there is a wikipedia article about socks and sandals
Wearing socks and sandals together is a controversial fashion combination and social phenomenon that is discussed in various countries and cultures

So a man can't get any sex

He could examine his behaviour and try to make himself more likeable, Maybe he could ask a few female friends and um, listen to them

Or her could just blame the nasty pasty feminists

In doing the later he show that as well as his below par looks and social skills, his analytical skills are pretty poor too

Feminism isn't anti men

Feminism is pro-women

HTH.

• I used to wear toe socks when they were a thing about 25 years ago

I had rainbow toe socks. About 35 years ago.*

I had a couple of pairs of toe socks in 1975 - 45 years ago.

Did anyone have them 15 or 5 years ago?

My friend runs in those barefoot shoes with toes. They freak me out. I can't look at her feet.

She runs on trails. She tries to get me to try it. Nope. She is a much better runner than me and is skinny as a rail unlike me. My peppa pig style clompy running would get me an injury rather quickly I think.

Plus DH is even more freaked by them than me. He could be scarred for life and never caress my lower zones again.

[quote IronPyrites]@TheInebriati I tried to send you a pm but it didn't work. I did read the article you sent and I think I get what Meghan is saying. I'm sorry for what I posted I can see now it was fairly ridiculous.[/quote]
Well done OP for coming back.

@IronPyrites Thanks for reading the article, this is something I feel very strongly about. We all have the right to self improvement and we all have to own our shit.

I don't understand the phobia of barefoot shoes here. They aren't attractive, but they aren't scary, either.

@IronPyrites

Well it seems I have upset quite lot of people with what I posted. I hadn't intended to cause offence. I will go away and think hard about what has been said here. .

Not at all upset. Your WATM is a refreshing change from the usual WATM posts we get here on a daily basis. Heh.

I had not though beyond being concerned about the disappointment that gender critical reddit users would feel if they came here in hopes of being able to speak freely with other women about their experiences.

There is an entire subreddit full of misogynists dedicated to harassing women looking for a new place where their "opposing views" will be welcome.
Reef sail and batten down the hatches cuz we are in for it.

I get what the Op was trying to express, and I agree that there there does seem to be a lot of generalised anti-man feeling within certain strands of feminism. It really turns me off too.

Now that equal legal & civil rights have been won, I'm minded to see it as just another form of oppositional identity politics......positioning women as perpetual victims, and men as perpetual baddies; whilst simultaneously denying there are any real differences between the sexes, other than those that are socially constructed.

I never expected to feel and respond in this way when I signed up here - but it does seem in the nature of identity politics to create this kind of polarisation.

Speaking of comfy shoes, does anybody have any tips for stopping Birkenstock's being smelly? (I'm assuming it's not just me).

*I get what the Op was trying to express, and I agree that there there does seem to be a lot of generalised anti-man feeling within certain strands of feminism. It really turns me off too.

Now that equal legal & civil rights have been won, I'm minded to see it as just another form of oppositional identity politics......positioning women as perpetual victims, and men as perpetual baddies; whilst simultaneously denying there are any real differences between the sexes, other than those that are socially constructed.

I never expected to feel and respond in this way when I signed up here - but it does seem in the nature of identity politics to create this kind of polarisation*

I know you are trying to agree with me, but the thing is, I was wrong. I was hamfistedly trying to suggest that feminism should try harder to show they weren't against all male sexuality. I cannot really express why I said this, other than honestly I probably was feeling a bit lonely and sorry for myself and looking for some kind of validation. While I more or less got the opposite, and it wasn't exactly enjoyable to read the responses, honestly, really, they were right. I have low self-esteem and coming on here to try and somehow raise it from people I don't know and will never meet is pretty pathetic and insulting to people who are genuinely trying to do good in the world, and help others who have problems caused by the misbehaviour of some men. At least you didn't do what I did, and I hope there's some food for thought here for you.

Inebriati that link deserves a thread of its own.

Oh this is awkward. I'm the only one still talking about feet.

Don’t worry iron

Hang around

Here’s a tip for you IronPyrites; hang with that attitude of self-reflection and actually listening to what people say, and you’ll make friends. Some of them might even be women. I can’t make any guarantees about romantic outcome, but friends are always good to have.

OP, I don't feel insulted, you don't need to worry. Most of us are here because we want women to be free from, for example: Domestic violence and abuse; FGM; infanticide; rape & sexual assault; misogyny and sexism.

Someone coming on and asking a bit of a silly question isn't going to upset people.

Tinsel, have you tried athlete's foot powder and leaving them out in the sunlight, which is the best disinfectant, as the saying goes ...

Tinsel, have you tried athlete's foot powder and leaving them out in the sunlight, which is the best disinfectant, as the saying goes

Or don’t put them up to your nose...

Or are they that smelly

Lurker delurking to thank the women of FWR for making my day just a little bit better. And for the masterclass in maintaining boundaries.

@MrsTerryPratchett

Oooo a thread for my theory.

Bear with me... If feminists actually got what they wanted, men would get laid much more. As a young woman, I would have had a LOT more sex with randoms if I knew that they wouldn't:

1. Kill me
2. Shame me
3. Force types of sex on me I didn't want
4. Ignore my pleasure for theirs.

Take heed men, if you want a lot of sex, tackle male violence. Also, prioritise learning how to actually give women pleasure rather than watching porn with a lot of male weird shit.

nice, attractive, kind, funny men are getting laid by feminists every day. Every day.

Omg...this!

Or are they that smelly 👀

Tinsel, have you tried athlete's foot powder and leaving them out in the sunlight, which is the best disinfectant, as the saying goes ...

Is athletes foot powder particularly de-smellificating?

OP, that was a decent apology.
Hang in there; loneliness isn't a male/fake thing, but it really sucks. I reckon there's a weight off, though, when you get to the root of what you're actually feeling. Isms can distract us from what's going on individually. Hope things improve.

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