Munroe Bergdorf

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I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

Any claims about female homicide made were in disputing the claim that "black trans women are being murdered at alarming rates".

It's good we can agree on this, and probably not derail the thread further with irrelevant nonsense, unless we still have a bee in our bonnet about why all those male/female murders shouldn't be called "alarming."

Men murder.

And yet all the 'progressive' cultural angst is directed at white women, the only group who - co-incidentally? - don't share an axis of oppression with men.

OP, I hope you find less authoritarian community. I understand it can be a lonely life, being a rational, materialist trans person. MB can block anyone MB likes, and does, because MB has tickets on MB's self - maybe follow some of the nicer transwomen/transmen out there?

Men are more violent. Overwhelmingly men are the murderers of both women and men,

When women are killed by men, in feminist spaces, that is an issue. It is alarming.

Personally I'd be inclined to take being blocked by Munroe as a sign that I was doing something right.

Yes, I think so too.

@Shawbles

Because I was bored and also noticed the comment that Women are being murdered at alarming rate I also looked that up.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender

It would appear that in 95% of countries, male murder victims outnumber female murder victims. Assuming roughly equal splits in all countries (although I know it's far-from-perfect), men are murdered at a higher rate than women, so it seems incorrect to suggest that women too are being murdered at an alarming rate to mean disproportionate, whereas they would appear to be murdered at a disproportionately low rate. Perhaps the most generically dull-yet-accurate statement would be that people are being murdered at an alarming rate.

Who's killing all these men? What sex are all these murderers?

Who's killing all these men? What sex are all these murderers

What does that have to do with anything ? I recognise without quibble that men are the perpetrators in over 96% over murders (per that wiki page), it doesn't change the victim profile at all.

When women are killed by men, in feminist spaces, that is an issue. It is alarming

Anyway I'll leave it there as this sentence has made me see what everyone else was arguing, and it wasn't what I was arguing so best to let it drop.

Citations please.

psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0033-2909.126.5.685

[quote DivineTruth]psycnet.apa.org/doi/10.1037/0033-2909.126.5.685[/quote]
Thanks. Any chance of getting access to the full study? I don't have institutional access.

If you have any meta analyses on topic, I'm happy to look at those too.

Not sure if i can post it up. Here's a link to the dept thats responsible for the research though, they've done extensive work around intimate relationships and the dynamics and get some valuble insights that otherwise are too influenced by current politics.

www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/rfac/research.php

Ive just fished up a time article which also lists some of the more notable reports on the subject. It surprised me at first but its solid literature.

time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/

The TRA agenda isn’t representative of the wider trans community or the issues they face. They don’t seem to be interested in improving things for trans people at all.

@Loveinatimeofcovid

The TRA agenda isn’t representative of the wider trans community or the issues they face. They don’t seem to be interested in improving things for trans people at all.

This is right, they're not. In fact they dont really know what they want, they're just a bunch of angry over entitled angry teenagers who dont know the proper way to ask for what they want so they throw a tantrum in the hope it turns heads wondering what the noise is.

[quote DivineTruth]Ive just fished up a time article which also lists some of the more notable reports on the subject. It surprised me at first but its solid literature.

time.com/2921491/hope-solo-women-violence/[/quote]
I have a problem with this article in that it doesn't really delve into the claim of violence initiation.

Do some women initiate, out of the blue? I'm sure they do. But in the context of abusive relationships, there can be many behaviours preceding the so-called initiation.

It's interesting, and honestly I feel like I've read takes on this before, in terms of women adopting more laddish styles of binge drinking behaviour ? But without access to the studies - importantly the method and limitations, and the data, it's hard for me to say anything.

In any case, it's relatively uncontroversial to acknowledge that men are responsible for around 9/10 murders, and that if women are murdered it's extremely likely she was murdered by a man.

The studies showing women are more aggressive in intimate relationships count stuff like "man pins woman against door shouting in her face, woman pushes man off and runs away" as an act of physical aggression committed by the woman against the man.

They also don't count sexual assaults on their "conflict tactics scale" so "man tries to rape partner, partner fights back" also counts as an act of physical aggression committed by the woman against the man.

Be very, very suspicious of anyone pushing this narrative. If they know enough about the topic to link that research but not enough to interpret it, they've usually found out about it from MRA sources.

Here's an alternative link to the article that person linked, and the article it is commenting on.

www.researchgate.net/publication/12332751_Are_women_really_more_aggressive_than_men_in_intimate_relationships_Comment_on_Archer_2000
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2f5d/c513c9a2355478ef5da991e6e6aced88299c.pdf

I think it’s highly optimistic to hope TRAs will have any support (or interest) for black women once you are no longer a useful shield.

[quote Kantastic]The studies showing women are more aggressive in intimate relationships count stuff like "man pins woman against door shouting in her face, woman pushes man off and runs away" as an act of physical aggression committed by the woman against the man.

They also don't count sexual assaults on their "conflict tactics scale" so "man tries to rape partner, partner fights back" also counts as an act of physical aggression committed by the woman against the man.

Be very, very suspicious of anyone pushing this narrative. If they know enough about the topic to link that research but not enough to interpret it, they've usually found out about it from MRA sources.

Here's an alternative link to the article that person linked, and the article it is commenting on.

www.researchgate.net/publication/12332751_Are_women_really_more_aggressive_than_men_in_intimate_relationships_Comment_on_Archer_2000
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2f5d/c513c9a2355478ef5da991e6e6aced88299c.pdf[/quote]
Ta.

Ah, the "proof" is the Duluth wheel? Debunked many times and deliberately misleading. I'm sure Bewilderness will have a suitable link of nobody else does.

It is horrible. It is horrible to point out legitimate concerns about women's rights and be told that, in standing up for yourself, you are bigoted, hateful and prejudiced. And it's horrible that extreme activists are doing their best to silence all intelligent debate on the issues.

I don't hate trans people. I want trans people to be safe in our society. But I don't want a solution that erodes my own sex-based rights.

Thanks so much for posting this, OP. I'm sure it wasn't an easy decision. Every time someone speaks out against this kind of silencing it helps. Wishing you peace and happiness.

@HeistSociety

In any case, it's relatively uncontroversial to acknowledge that men are responsible for around 9/10 murders, and that if women are murdered it's extremely likely she was murdered by a man.

Yes but if a child is murdered then its more probable than not to be a women thats the perpetrator.

I can fetch them out if you cant find find them but the literature on the causes and reasons for female violence suggests that it is no different from that of men, power, co-ercive control etc etc. having first believed it was due to defence of male violence this has been proved not to be the case.