Munroe Bergdorf

[ripples101]

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

her timing during the BLM protests came without any acknowledgement in their direction that she might be distracting from their efforts.

So again. When should she have tweeted?

Or is it your opinion that she should just remain silent?

Or are you just another poster MBD who deals out shame with every post on FWR. There are a few so you do have company.

@JellyFishSquish

her timing during the BLM protests came without any acknowledgement in their direction that she might be distracting from their efforts

So obviously just another excuse for shutting down discussion of women's rights. It is starting to feel like bad faith posting. If you feel that you do not agree with JKR, you CAN just not agree. Don't go out of your way to find spurious reasons to damn her.

ffs no-one is shutting down anything, except one outlet for OP's whining

MB's inclusion of 'white' in her description of JKR was valid.
OPs pedantic targeting of it was not valid, and got them blocked.

Why didn’t BLM wait until after Pride Month? Because George Floyd got murdered by a policeman and everyone lost their shit.

@ShinyFootball

Just catching up.

'And someone came here for a good ol' girly cry about it cos they were blocked for trolling her about it?'

A good ol' girly cry?

That's a very sexist thing to say.

Super sexist.

The dynamic of using that phrase to a transwoman feels disconcerting to me as well. Can't put my finger on why.

Personally I love having a GOGC, nothing shameful and very cathartic.

But instead of using such a phrase , I should have just said what I meant, which was I found the OPs tone to be a bit pathetic and rather whiny and mawkish and who knows if they are even still reading this? They seem content to let everyone else do the heavy lifting on the situation they kick-started. Colour me unimpressed.
Sorry about the sexist remark.

To a POC or their allies, JKR being white means she is a member of the oppressing class. JKR hasn't acknowledged this privilege, her timing during the BLM protests came without any acknowledgement in their direction that she might be distracting from their efforts.

What? This literally makes no sense. She wasn’t talking about BLM even a little bit, in the sense of women’s rights men are the oppressing class, her white privilege didn’t stop her being a victim of domestic violence or sexual assault did it? She isn’t distracting from BLM efforts because people are capable of giving attention to more than o e issue at a time.

MB was using her race to silence her, I can see no other conclusion.

@MadBadDaddy

TheSingingKettle49 MB is disagreeing with JKR and disputing her suitability to appoint herself as spokesperson for anyone. Her enormous privileges are a factor. I'm sure JKR has stories, like many women, about being a woman struggling and succeeding in a man's world, but how many black billionaire authors are there? JKR has benefited from white privilege. MB has summed all of this up by adding the word 'white' to her long description of JKR

MB is not silencing anyone but OP, who deserved it, IMO

MB lied about what Jo Rowling wrote. It is right there for anyone to read, both the statements made and the lies told about the statements made. You are incorrectly characterizing what Jo Rowling said by putting your words in MBs mouth. We see you.

We see you

What the fuck is it with "we see you?!"
It's a differing opinion FFS, not a concerted effort by some underground take down effort by all seeing overlords
It sounds like toddlers saying "peekaboo we see you"
It's just.... bizarre!

Jo Rowling is Scottish. When she made her initial comments Scotland had decided to change the interpretation of the word woman.

I'm sure she and everyone else, would benefit from knowing when exactly she is supposed to object to a man being able to be called a woman only as long as people refer to them as she, and you must refer to them as she.

This is the nonsense, dangerous and hopelessly regressive soup of sexism, that J. K. Rowling has objected to.

The government issued a public consultation, inviting people to discuss the issue of the upcoming proposed reforms to the GRA. And women were subjected to bomb threats and battery when they did.

It's got fuck all to do with when, and everything to do with what.

And these threads expose it spectacularly.

I'm amazed anyone would try to squeeze some sense out of anything "just because I worked for Playboy doesn't mean a woman can say I worked for Playboy" Bergdorf.

A non starter that one.

I'm amazed anyone would try to squeeze some sense out of anything "just because I worked for Playboy doesn't mean a woman can say I worked for Playboy" Bergdorf

Any Playboy saga has passed me by so can't comment on that one.
I'm commenting on this, what she's said now, not in the past.
So because she's said something in the past, that means she can't say anything now because it's bound to not make sense?
Um yeah, that makes.... sense.

MB was using her race to silence her, I can see no other conclusion. by referring to her as 'white' in an instagram post? Exaggerate much?

her white privilege didn’t stop her being a victim of domestic violence or sexual assault did it? no but it probably helped her be listened to.

MB wrote many, many words, joined together in sentences and everything. OP isolated one of those words to engage with and you can't understand why they were blocked for the same reason they can't and that's why you cry foul

Completely wrong. We know exactly why they were blocked.

I have been reporting MBDs personal attacks on the OP, ripples.

How?
Are you Munroe or something?
Got a mind tap into her thought waves?
Nobody apart from her knows but I can take a bloody good guess on what it was.
This thread shows exactly why in my opinion!

@TehBewilderness

I have been reporting MBDs personal attacks on the OP, ripples.

Yes, the enthusiastic name-calling has not gone unnoticed.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

We see you

What the fuck is it with "we see you?!"
It's a differing opinion FFS, not a concerted effort by some underground take down effort by all seeing overlords
It sounds like toddlers saying "peekaboo we see you"
It's just.... bizarre!

Oh God I know. Tiresome isn't it? I wish posters could just say 'actually I disagree with you on that point' or even 'you sound like a TRA here, is that right?' rather than claiming to speak for the entire hive mind of FWR with 'we see you'.

It can sound a bit sinister if you're not used to it.

It can sound a bit sinister if you're not used to it

Exactly, and I think that's why it's done, is it to cause fear, cast doubt, aspersions on posters with dissenting voices or something?
As that's how it comes across.
As you say just say you disagree, or whatever, not tone policing before anyone starts but the whole painting differing opinions as some kind of other, or scary lurky monitor overlord person is just - not cool.
Normal people with normal opinions.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

We see you

What the fuck is it with "we see you?!"
It's a differing opinion FFS, not a concerted effort by some underground take down effort by all seeing overlords
It sounds like toddlers saying "peekaboo we see you"
It's just.... bizarre!

It is a phrase used to signify recognition of manipulation and DARVO which is the tactic MBD used all through this thread. I guess you missed it.

Oh God I know. Tiresome isn't it? I wish posters could just say 'actually I disagree with you on that point' or even 'you sound like a TRA here, is that right?'

Fortunately, that has been unnecessary. Since that poster started a thread with 'Hi TRA here'. Helpfully announcing their intentions from the off.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains

And to think, if only MB had replied to Ripples’ question we wouldn’t need to be having this discussion

Give over, seriously?!
The question got answered. Not by MB, admittedly, but it still got answered.
There'd no doubt be pages of this on her page too if she'd answered, no wonder she got trigger happy with the block finger lol

Yes seriously.

Other people have answered for her. Ok so other people speak for MB. Guess that’s fine. Not her answer though so it’s just speculation.

Seriously.

It is a phrase used to signify recognition of manipulation and DARVO which is the tactic MBD used all through this thread
I guess you missed it.

Differing opinions, not DARVO oh FFS lol this is bonkers.
Yes I also call out the shit you get on here just for a differing opinion.

@TehBewilderness

I have been reporting MBDs personal attacks on the OP, ripples.

TehBewilderness I criticised their pathetic tone, not their person. I had a pop at their pedantic targeting, I commented on their 'take'.

OTOH, I've had little but ad-homs (ad-fems?) from some quarters but apart from being referred to as 'it' I haven't complained. eg I'm dishonest, twisting the narrative, bad-faith, TRA, typical male, etc. etc.

Physician heal thyself.

It's a differing opinion FFS, not a concerted effort by some underground take down effort by all seeing overlords

I recall that MBD arrived here on a euphoric high they got from Reddit silencing 65,000 women. We know that the same people wish to remove this board and even Mumsnet as a whole entity.

Scepticism of bad faith posters is entirely sensible at this point.

You are making the idea of "differing opinions" do some seriously heavy lifting. Putting words in other people's mouths is not a differing opinions. In fact you will be delighted to hear that I have a rule for that.

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.

I criticised their pathetic tone, not their person. I had a pop at their pedantic targeting, I commented on their 'take'.

You need to read the talk guidelines.