Munroe Bergdorf

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I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

'You didn't ask anything constructive about MB's post, you just displayed pettyness and white-fragility and got blocked for it instead of having a POC explain to a white person what racial privilege is'

Erm, no.

OP asked what JKR race had to do with her taking about women's rights.

The reason MB brought racism into it was because it was easier than addressing what JKR actually said about her experiences as a woman.

From OP's OP: "Munroe stayed something along the lines of “JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”
I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.
...my post was deleted and I was blocked.

How am I "twisting the narrative" when this thread has gone from murder rates to birds having flying privileges?

Oh fuck that post of mine was long!

Sorry everyone.

There's nothing much to say to the OP.

MB doesn't brook dissent and apparently blocks trans people who dissent, as well as women who don't toe the MB 'I'll tell women what they can and can't do' line.

My advice to the OP was to find more pleasant trans people to follow.

I mean, seriously, what else is there to say about the kind of person who feels entitled to tell women to shut up about their own reproductive issues at a Woman's March.

Sometimes it's no more complicated than nasty person is nasty, OP being trans didn't protect them, no drama, go and find nicer friends.

As for the anti-feminists again spamming feminist chat with their arguments rooted in denial of sexism's impact of women, much MB's type, I'd have thought, and as such, pointless to engage.

'JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm'

We have discussed on the thread that men are the ones who cause the harm.
We have discussed that women experience and have experienced oppression globally due to their sex.

Who is dangerous? Globally?
Who causes harm?
How is being female in the world we are in, a state of privilege?
White women aren't allowed to talk about being a woman, being in poverty, being sexually exploited, having their reproductive choices limited or non existent, etc etc? I mean that's kind of how it sounds. There are countries in Europe where abortion is illegal. Those white women cannot speak out about their experiences?

I mean come on.

I agree heist the problem is that MB view that women should STFU about biology is given column inches etc etc

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell posters off

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell anyone off, quite frankly, and I will treat it with the respect it deserves.

The reason MB brought racism into it was because it was easier than addressing what JKR actually said about her experiences as a woman.

I imagine there's something of a pattern here.

Oh fuck that post of mine was long!

Bang on though.

How am I "twisting the narrative"

Interesting that you think that's referring to you.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell posters off

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell anyone off, quite frankly, and I will treat it with the respect it deserves.

Huh. I think that says more about you than it does about me

@ShinyFootball

'You didn't ask anything constructive about MB's post, you just displayed pettyness and white-fragility and got blocked for it instead of having a POC explain to a white person what racial privilege is'

Erm, no.

OP asked what JKR race had to do with her taking about women's rights.

The reason MB brought racism into it was because it was easier than addressing what JKR actually said about her experiences as a woman.

This!

Huh. I think that says more about you than it does about me

Oh really? I give that exactly the same amount of respect as referred to in my previous comment, and I don't think everyone sees what you do.

MB really needs to spend some time on Lipstick Alley if MB thinks only white women have a problem with MB thinking MB can tell women to STFU about their reproductive issues on Women's March or, you know, more generally.

I love Lipstick Alley. They take no prisoners at all.

I'm not on Twitter but what does MB do when people tweet MB about all the feminist activism going on around the world?

I mean seriously, MB believes all global feminist orgs are working for white women? I mean that's a seriously narrow view.

As for 'producing' babies. I mean how insulting to women in general, and especially all the women and girls who are raped, have no choices, have no support, the women and girls who die or are seriously injured in childbirth, or chained to a man they didn't choose and hate.

I think this was MBs actual Instagram post that OP is referring to:
"I want to remind everyone that J.K. Rowling is an author of fiction. She is not an expert on this subject, she is a wealthy, cisgender, heterosexual white woman with a vested interest in winding back trans healthcare. First it'll be the kids, then it'll be the adults.J.K. Rowling is dangerous"

Out of all the myriad ways OP could have engaged with that post, OP chose the word 'white' and expected....what exactly?

Lipstick Alley is not having it

www.lipstickalley.com/threads/transgender-model-munroe-bergdorf-i-don’t-feel-safe-because-of-other-women.2219373/

www.lipstickalley.com/threads/transgender-model-munroe-bergdorf-i-don’t-feel-safe-because-of-other-women.2219373/

How weird, it seems I can't post a link to Lipstick Alley as somewhere along the line it's duplicating the address. You can copy and paste the first post if you want to see it.

'with a vested interest in winding back trans healthcare'

What is this referring to please?

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell anyone off, quite frankly, and I will treat it with the respect it deserves.

Is this what you mean? I will treat your act of telling anyone else off with the respect that deserves. i.e. none. And I think you have just vindicated me in that opinion. I'd like an apology for your misreading of my post, please. I think it's you who has had too much to drink, rather.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell posters off

It's a bit rich of MBD to tell anyone off, quite frankly, and I will treat it with the respect it deserves.

Screenshot that while you are at it