Munroe Bergdorf

[ripples101]

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

Eh? Mb wouldn't allow a pile on as she would just delete posts that she didn't like. As she does.

MB didn't answer on here. Don't be daft. You speculated, but that isn't an answer.

highame I don't think OP had a question per se, aside from the now infamous one that was asked of MB, which led to a long, involved discussion.

That's okay on a chat board isn't it?

I do wonder if Lemonade is here to make things cloudy though!

MB didn't answer on here. Don't be daft

Did I say she did?!
No.
I said an answer was given to the question.
If no answer was actually wanted and it was a rhetorical question, why not bloody say that in the first place?!

It wasn't a rhetorical question. OP asked MB a very non-rhetorical question, which she did not receive an answer to.

Your speculation isn't an answer - it's defending MB's censoring of anything other than complete agreement with her, while also casting down on the OP's account.

'casting doubt' not 'down'

Your speculation isn't an answer

It was an answer.
To the question.
If one wasn't actually wanted then fair enough.

Look at the state of this article for Glamour Magazine. Basically a male telling women how to woman.

The 'Have You Ever Felt an Allyship from Feminism' bit is particular gold:

I think it depends on what feminism you follow. Unfortunately, there's a lot of really unhelpful feminism out there, such as the feminism that J.K.Rowling follows which is called gender critical feminism which believes that trans women are men and that the only women are women that have a uterus. That is awful because a lot of women can't have children and does that mean that they're less women because they're no longer of use?

When did JKR or any gender critical feminist say that 'the only women are women that have a uterus'? It is so true that Munroe's tactic is to sling as much shit as possible and hope that something sticks.

Am I reading that right? If a woman can’t have children she’s “no longer of use?”

I am misreading that, surely?

Really nasty lies. Don't know why anyone wants to give this spite and stupidity any space at all. It's deliberately decisive. Shitty wind up merchant.

And blocks people like OP that ask questions.

How long can a career built on sand last?

Deliriumoftheendless no you're not misreading it.

I just skimmed through that article on MB's twitter and it's excruciating in its awfulness. It takes some doing to sound as cluless as MB does.

I wish Magdalene Burns was still around to take this apart in the way that only she could.

Devisive.!

Look at the state of this article for Glamour Magazine. Basically a male telling women how to woman

Is there a link to the article?
Only because you say look at this article and it seems to be a pasted quote from something and it's better to read the whole thing so can see what it's in reference to?
Not really sure what it's in context to

www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/munroe-bergdorf-interview-2020

Fairly easy to find if you google “Munroe Bergdorf Glamour interview.”

Anyway, I’m not surprised someone should SAY that, I’m surprised a journalist would print it without comment.

Actually, maybe that’s not so surprising these days.

Anyway very informative so maybe good on that hack.

@ripples101 it sounds a bit like the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy - anyone who asks ANY questions of MB couldn't possibly be 'really' trans because if they were they'd have to automatically agree... and when you have a victim complex and imagine persecution everywhere (I don't deny that MB gets abuse on social media but in comparison to biological women with similar follower numbers... nope), a simple question seems threatening.

I see Lemonade didn’t get around to explaining when Bergdorf’s male privilege transitioned to that of a transwoman’s

Why do I have to answer Every.Single.Countless.Question. Repeatedly. Asked. Otherwise I'm some dodgy person dodging the question as must be too 'ard for me brain?!
When if you ask just one question, ONCE, to a "GC" poster you get "don't have to bow to your demands" or "No I don't have to answer is a complete sentence."
Not DARVO. Happens.

OK.
Munroe, being a trans woman, can see you'd still retain some male privilege as in the fact was brought up male.
As opposed to all us put upon and oppressed women?
That doesn't mean though that on transitioning you'd still not experience oppression as a trans women.
It's not a case of "when Bergdorf’s male privilege transitioned to that of a transwoman’s" - more of a surely you're reducing your male privilege by being trans, and why would you do that just for the lolz if it wasn't really who you were?

@Deliriumoftheendless Thank you will take a look

Didn't realise Bergdorf had written a new shit article for Glamour telling women how to woman, I was thinking of one of the other ones.

@ripples101

I am trans.

I was a follower of Munroe Bergdorf’s Instagram.

Munroe wrote a post about JK Rowling, calling her a dangerous woman to the trans community. Munroe stayed something along the lines of

“JKR is a dangerous cisgendered, white woman who is causing harm”

I replied to this post, asking why Munroe felt it necessary to mention JK Rowing’s racial identity.

I wasn’t Abusive. I just felt that it wasn’t necessary, in regards to what Munroe was being critical of, to mention JK Rowling’s ethnicity.

Within minutes my post was deleted and I was blocked.

I am trans, and Munroe has silenced me.

So it seems nothing can be questioned. Any intent to ask a question, or to strike up debate, will be met with being silenced.

This is fast turning into propaganda. This is fast turning into thought crime. This is fast turning into silencing. This is fast turning into something it should never have been.

When a trans person isn’t even able to question another trans person, what chance do “people who belong to sex that menstruate”* have?

• Christ, I don’t even feel like I can use the word women here without being controversial.

I am so sorry for people to whom I thought I identified alongside (trans people) who are doing this to you. I feel sick and ashamed of what I am, because of people who are representing me.

I feel like I literally have no space left. And I can’t help but feel that a lot of biological woman are feeling the same way. And you have so much more to lose than I ever will, so I simply can’t imagine how this is making you all feel.

I’m POC and it would be easy for me to say “White woman this and that” in reference to every little slight. I try not to unless it’s necessary because of an actual racist thing that happens. My partner is white. My daughter is mixed race and my stepkids are white. JK’s colour is nothing to do with anything. I think you were right in pointing it out. I’m sorry you were silenced, especially as you are trans and exactly the person she claims to be speaking for. I think from my observation a divide is happening within the trans community so eventually the reasonable crowd will start to be heard more than the ones trying to polarise everything. I know it’s more complicated than this. I see a lot of trans folk on Twitter defending JK now too so I can see things changing.

That is awful because a lot of women can't have children and does that mean that they're less women because they're no longer of use?

And there is was... we see you for who you really are! Who would say such a thing? And to infer that feminists who don’t agree with your ideas say this is so dishonest. I don’t think anyone but a misogynist would say anything like that. Not Unsurprising at all, that they don’t want to listen to someone who doesn’t agree with them.

MB told women not to centre reproductive justice at the Women's March. That's male privilege.

MB is not an ally to women. There is no reason on God's green earth why we should be considering MB as anything other than a particularly nasty, self absorbed, objectifying scold.

It's entirely unsurprising to me that MB also blocked a dissenting trans person.

It's not a case of "when Bergdorf’s male privilege transitioned to that of a transwoman’s" - more of a surely you're reducing your male privilege by being trans

That wasn't the point. The poster Home, that you were high fiving, said that Bergdorf no longer "had privilege over cis women". Please explain how.

Oh god that Glamour article.

"I think that a lot of people conflate sex and gender when they're actually two different things."
... gosh, if only feminists ever said this.

"Also, trans people aren't saying that we were born biologically female"
... except plenty are.

"For me, gender identity is as unique as we are as individuals, it's all about how you identify it isn't about your body"
... if your 'gender identity' is unique then it is not gender. It's your soul or your personality or something else but it is not gender.

"kids aren't having surgeries that's not a thing"
... except the ones that are.

"Intersex kids..."
... how many times have intersex people or people with DSDs asked not to be used in this way?

"It's about individuality and not indoctrinating people into an archaic idea of identity."
... oh FFS.

"The reality is that we're not attacking anybody."
But if words are 'literal violence'...

"So, to have one or two trans women and their crimes circulated and be the standard for all trans women is really traumatising for us as a community."
And this is the most insane thing of all. Why accept that those criminals are trans women? Why are the 'evil feminists' far more likely to believe that these individuals aren't trans women but creepy men who will exploit any loophole in the system, because that's what predators do?
(I understand why - because everyone is who they say they are, like magic - but when so many trans activists are prepared to insist that anyone who disagrees with them isn't 'really' trans or doesn't count in some way, it's just stupid.)

The poster Home, that you were high fiving, said that Bergdorf no longer "had privilege over cis women". Please explain how

Eh?
I'm not Home.
I have agreed with Home on the thread though over some points.
I replied to a question put to me that I answered.
What, because I agreed with Home earlier in the thread, that means I was high fiving and automatically agreeing with everything they said?
Eh?
Rational.