James O’Brien

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He’s said something more than a little bit TERFY but has yet to be invited to suck lady dicks or die in a fire (as far as I can see).

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I reckon he'll propose third spaces (revolutionary!) and then TRA's will say it's like putting a yellow star on them. Then he'll back down and say TW are W (although he wouldn't shag a woman with a penis)

Sadly, (because I quite like him) he's a misogynist. The tells are all there in that interview on this thread with a MNer.

• He tells her of for speaking too fast - he bloody speaks fast and she wasn't.
• She explains she's nervous. She says I'm nervous because of the reaction I had. - He says something like 'try being me'.
• She says he knows men aren't women and he actually scolds her for most of the remainder of the call - don't tell me what I know, blah blah blah.

I do think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place here. His listeners know what women are, HE knows what women are, but he absolutely can't alienate all his friends and worse - be on the same side as Trump on this. What's a fella to do?!!

Sell out women of course.

He doesn’t sound like he has come up with a solution to anything. He has made all the trans rights activists and feminists hate him.

Perhaps he should call his next book How to Wrong.

The reason it is bad to get fixated on the toilet issue is that most people don’t care and it allows OJ to talk bollocks about genital inspections. If you need to be admitted to hospital we know what your biological sex is because it is on your medical records. The Karen White situation was preventable but no one prevented it. For some trans people giving them a private room would solve the problem.

I do feel for Paris Lees (I know that is not a popular opinion on here). I think we need to come up with a solution that protects people who are actually trans (for want of a better way of putting it) and doesn’t leave it open to any one to abuse.

I seem to remember him mentioning (before lockdown and all the JKR stuff) that he had come up with a solution to the trans rights/womens rights problem

seriously? I hope he does discuss it on air. But given his air of meekness in this discussion perhaps he has already shared it with someone who told him why whatever it was, wasn't going to work.

I can't remember if it was O'Brien or Majid Nawaaz who spoke to a caller last year who suggested unisex toilets would solve the issue.

Whichever one it was was very enthusiastic about having solved the problem ((because it's all just about toilets of course) so perhaps that was the great solution he was going to announce?

@Siablue I feel for transwomen (not so much for Lees in particular because they can be really unpleasant to women) but I don't see a solution - councils/businesses etc are not going to provide 3 diff sets of toilets (and if they did I'll bet the rent that transwomen would refuse to use 'trans' facilities on principle).

The most likely outcome will be more and more unisex toilets.

I heard that JOB interview with a women pointing out the dangers in a changing room and him literally not caring and being very rude and dismissive to her. That was a couple of years ago now though and I am sure his opinion has changed but he is stuck.
I think he is friends with Paris too.
But the issue isn't Paris using the ladies loos or not when she is out shopping or in a restaurant.
The issue is bigger that Paris or any individual trans person - you can't support policy to change society's definitions of who is male / female or encouraging medical treatments on children because you know and like one nice trans person no matter how nice they are or how much you like them.

For me the issue is prisons/ hospitals/sports/ refuges / giving children puberty blockers etc.

@Highperbolay

Paris is really upset by this. To be fair, I kind of feel a little bit sorry for Paris, because before the TRA batshittery, a small number of transwomen were using the toilets and women were generally OK with that very small number of 'genuine' transwomen doing this.

But TRAs have pushed and pushed this. Not happy to be accepted in female spaces as a courtesy, they have pushed and pushed the 'TWAW' , the self id, the 'i am whatever I say I am', the 'wax my balls', the 'let my rapist penis into women's prisons', the 'I am a woman because I say so, now let me into the women's changing rooms', the 'if you don't completely capitulate you are a bigoted cunt who can suck my girl dick'.

And women have realised that the 'Choke on my girl dick brigade' are the exact same people who want access to their safe spaces. And are now saying NO!

And so here we are....

I feel for Paris too (I am sure she does not care either way ) as I think she wishes it would all go back 5 years when women did not really mind the odd trans women in their loos. I know I didn't.

But she is also part of the problem too as she led the TRA twitter charge at the beginning and pushed the more aggressive TR agenda, trying to redefine what female was and telling women to shut up about women's biology etc. So she is partly responsible for the forceful push back from women imo.

I think she does now want to row it back a bit and concentrate on non-trans things which I don't blame her for as it must be exhausting.
She is also less provocative and sexual in her writing now she realises that women / girls in general are fearful of men and unwanted sexual attention and do their best to avoid it and not encourage it in everyday life.
I think she initially thought the exact opposite - that we are all little minxes -eyeing up men wherever we went - but I think she gets it's the exact opposite to that now.

But then I think - but you started this love!
so I flip flop on my opinion of her

She is also less provocative and sexual in her writing now

I saw JOB's retweet about Paris being sexually abused at a young age by men. It made me wonder if the stories about taking multiple men home at once, or relishing being catcalled, that were initially recounted in a gleeful boasting tone, are still seen in the same light- it's something that happens to a lot of women who've experienced sexual abuse, that subsequent sexual experiences take on a darker tone once the abuse has been processed.

Of course gay male sexuality is different from women's sexuality so I don't want to assume anything but to Paris on dealing with that.

I agree Paris has been a major proponent of the "you have to believe I'm a woman" stance which has really backfired, same for Bergdorf.

The anger about this failure has left them all high and dry, a tiny layer of self aggrandising people who are now marooned on fantasy island with no way off.

Paris wants the mainstream. So now anything that Paris did or said that doesn't suit the mainstream must be immediately forgotten, because Paris gets what Paris wants - or else.

The entitlement is strong with that one. And yes, sexual assault is beyond the pale but women tend not to have the privilege of having their conduct excused by what happened to them in their past.