Update from Allison Bailey

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Didn’t see this on the current post about her fundraising but thought it deserved a post of its own.

mobile.twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1278317988429561857

Where would the TRAs be without the invention of the internet hey?

Could we submit FOI requests to public bodies who are Stonewall Champions to discover whether they received similar complaints about their staff and whether any action resulted?

Good question 30percent do you think they would answer that or would they all just cite HR etc as reasons not to answer?

I have never done an FOI myself. Surely they could redact details? Or give a count but no detail.

I doubt you could get an email like Allison's - it would probably be considered personal data. But may be could ask for number of complaints received from Stonewall, how many related to individuals and action taken, and how many relate to policies and copies of those?

just read the stonewall email

fuck me

donated again. it seems the only rational response

good idea 30percent

I guess the FOI details, specs would be important - good suggestions Tib

What puzzles me is how Stonewall got the info. Surely they don’t have people sitting on the internet monitoring everybody who works for their “diversity champions”? Is it just that she was uncomplimentary about one of their staff so they went on an expedition to dig up dirt? I have not heard before of them identifying and demanding the firing of staff from their “diversity champions” - and given the size of many of those organisations, they must have had staff who have publicly said homophobic or genuinely transphobic things. It feels like Stonewall were taking revenge for their staff member being presented in a negative light, not that they were looking out for LGBT people in general.

Surely they don’t have people sitting on the internet monitoring everybody who works for their “diversity champions”?
There are plenty of monitors out there, eager to report in on any woman who's on twitter under her own name.
I'm not sure whether the email came before or after the formation of the LGB Alliance but I'd put money on those monitors immediately starting to dig into the lives of anyone even remotely involved in it so they could put in complaints every where they could.
I'd also be very surprised if this is the first time they've done it. It's far more likely that other women have not felt able to go public with it after their livelihoods were put at risk. I can't help thinking that Allison winning this case might give other people the courage to come forward.

@30PercentRecycled

Could we submit FOI requests to public bodies who are Stonewall Champions to discover whether they received similar complaints about their staff and whether any action resulted?

Have you seen the BBC’s weaselly response to such a FOI request?

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1367921393606815745

How is this story not in the press? So-called ‘LGBT’ rights group attempt to get a black, lesbian, working class barrister kicked out of her chambers.

It writes itself doesn’t it? So many angles to tell this story from yet tumbleweed......

Even the comedy angle of the appalling spelling and grammar is worth pursuing, never mind the rape culture of the ‘cotton ceiling’. I’m baffled, honestly.

Hopefully it will be in the media more after the court case. And, if she wins, I also hope other ppl who've had the same treatment will realise they don't actually have to put up with this shit.

They probably can't afford legal action but they can use AB as an example of why Stonewall aren't a fit organisation to decide on matters of diversity

of all the things I've read and seen in the war on lesbians, the Benji interview with Boyce where she describes 40 year old male born people talking to teenage females in the group run by Morgan Page, is one I will never forget

The cotton ceiling stuff is bad enough, I hadn't realised that the person Benji was talking about is the same Morgan who runs the Stonewall empowerment programme (with lottery money)

You have to wonder how on top of things the Stonewall board and CEO really are. I know that they wanted to give T its own organisation within SW, but a little oversight wouldn't hurt.

Stonewall have more money than god, and more than 150 employees. Surely they could find someone in that lot who could spell, who could use grammar correctly, and who wouldn't write "yourselves" when they mean "you"?

My favorite was accusing her of chairing, "Women's pace" meetings.

Why does Alex Sharpe feel the need to get involved in this BS?

AS is on the advisory board of the ESRC-funded Future of Legal Gender project so not exactly voiceless - why get involved in this sort of 'activism'?

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/lesbian-barrister-investigated-setting-lgb-group

Sharpe, who presumably gives Bailey a wide berth at the office, has previously said lesbians should consider why they won't sleep with transwomen who identify as lesbians, and has implied that lesbians who don’t question their attraction to people of the same sex are being unethical. Referring to the ‘cotton ceiling’, a term coined by trans rights activists to describe lesbians' refusal to have sex with people with penises, Sharpe tweeted, "Cotton ceiling. There is nothing wrong with asking people to reflect on preferences where they exclude a whole class of ppl”.

You have to wonder how on top of things the Stonewall board and CEO really are

or they just don't care

or they want old male people controlling teenage female people

Benji's experience in that 'lgbt' group run by Page.... chilled me to the core and made me think 'victim of coercive control' and worse.

The cotton ceiling 'workshop' run by Page that Allison rightly called out twitter is the tip of the iceberg, compared to the policing of the teenage females in that lgbt group, compared to what the females ended up doing

Yeah, telling distressed teenagers that they have privilege over adult male people... What kind of 'empowerment' is that?

That letter is astonishing.

I am so grateful that they’re thick and complacent enough to put it in writing.

The homophobia on the link in Datuns post upthread is really distressing

Will have a rummage in my bank account for some compost later.

I think this youtu.be/QAMar22S0ck is the Benjamin Boyce podcast where that is discussed. If anyone hasn't heard it, it's definitely worth a listen

Remarkable to listen to, @JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown. Predators masquerading as women to get into our spaces and abuse us - happening right in front of our noses, and these predators are being protected and enabled by the establishment. Horrific.

I think this youtu.be/QAMar22S0ck is the Benjamin Boyce podcast where that is discussed. If anyone hasn't heard it, it's definitely worth a listen

I remember those 2 interviews from when they were made available and the discussion - the oppression of the young people by mature adults was jaw-dropping. It was perfectly in line with Sheila Jeffrey's sex castes in which transmen end up at the lowest point of the caste system and, somehow, other people end up at the very top of the caste system in a way that is not readily distinguishable from business as usual.

Cotton ceiling. There is nothing wrong with asking people to reflect on preferences where they exclude a whole class of ppl”

There’s a word for that, but if I state it, I will get a strike on Mumsnet.

Women have every right to exclude any type of person that they wish - particularly when they are same sexed attracted.

It's just astonishing how many of the professional activists support the really offensive fringe stuff.

How can the Stonewall leadership tolerate things like the 'cotton ceiling' workshop? It's distasteful at best.
I'll be charitable and assume that when they gave MP that job, they weren't aware of the issues in those support groups Benji went to.

@UppityPuppity

Cotton ceiling. There is nothing wrong with asking people to reflect on preferences where they exclude a whole class of ppl”

There’s a word for that, but if I state it, I will get a strike on Mumsnet.

Women have every right to exclude any type of person that they wish - particularly when they are same sexed attracted.

And it's not a preference. It's a sexual orientation. Protected in law.

The very issue that stonewall was set up to advocate for.

There’s something very male feeling about assuming sexual or romantic partners are selected by exclusions. Like you rule out all the women who are too tall/short/fat/thin/etc and what is left is your acceptable partner pool.

There’s no excluding people from something they’d otherwise be entitled to here, because no one is entitled to sex or a romantic relationship with me (or any other person). And I can choose who to invite into that intimate zone based on anything I like - including, but not limited to, what’s in their pants.