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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Please tell me about JK Rowling

259 replies

Feathered · 30/06/2020 12:18

There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

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DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 30/06/2020 22:57

Okay, let's be honest we all know you probably wouldn't have tried to transition as this is something that only people with genuine and severe lifelong gender dysphoria do. But okay then.

Then how do you explain all the FtMtF detransitioners and desisters then?

Your info is years out of date.

Datun · 30/06/2020 22:59

Honestly sapphos. Your position is so incoherent.

Are you making a distinction between social transition and medical transition? Are you making a distinction between top surgery and bottom surgery? Surgery and hormones?

If a child changes their name, goes on the register of the opposite sex, asked to use the opposite sex toilets, and says they hate their body, and are transgender, are you saying they can't say they are trans until 20 years have elapsed?

You appear to be saying that there is no such thing as a trans child yourself!

BewaretheIckabog · 30/06/2020 23:00

JK Rowling cannot possibly imagine what it may be like for an unhappy or uncertain teenager to feel she might want to change herself but loads of men can know exactly how it feels to be a woman?

I know I’m new to this but we cannot have any idea how it feels to be trans but trans people can know exactly how it is to be the wrong sex.

I’ve had a long time being a woman and I don’t know how it feels to be a woman. I know I am one because of my biology.

And Sapphos please never discount peer pressure and accepted norms. Loads of us do things we are unsure about because of the influence and support of people or groups around us. Sometimes we do them and with the benefit of hindsight realise it wasn’t right for us. If you have taken medication which may well affect your whole life hindsight won’t help.

Paradiseinportugal · 30/06/2020 23:02

@SapphosRock

Eveta that fact is she isn't transgender so her opinion insulting to people who are.
So is yours.
SapphosRock · 30/06/2020 23:05

No Datun I'm not dismissing people like Keira Bell at all. I think it's terrible that she regrets her transition and I feel very sorry for her.

A similar example is Shamina Begum. She joined Isis when she was 15. She was groomed online. She was young and foolish and bitterly regrets it. I feel sorry for her too.

Both examples are really sad but show that actions have consequences. Both young women were extremely persistent in achieving their goals of transitioning / joining Isis. They have to accept some responsibility for what has happened to them.

Eveta · 30/06/2020 23:09

They have to accept some responsibility for what has happened to them.

When people are children its the adults that take responsibility for them. Safeguarding rule no 1.

titchy · 30/06/2020 23:09

we all know you probably wouldn't have tried to transition as this is something that only people with genuine and severe lifelong gender dysphoria do

Obviously. As evidenced by the total absence of young women de-transitioning and the huge number of middle aged FtM transitioners.

Oh, wait....

Datun · 30/06/2020 23:10

Oh I see. So they're not silly and misguided. They are responsible for their own actions? Despite being told in school to pick a gender based on Victorian stereotypes.

Stonewall, mermaids, gendered intelligence, allsorts, that marvellously illegal trans tools lit that the CPS had to withdraw? All these teaching children that they may well be in the wrong body - but it's the kids' fault.

That woman's seven-year-old who came home crying his eyes out because he thought he was a girl as he liked playing in the Wendy house? All his own fault. And he must bear the responsibility.

Got it.

Datun · 30/06/2020 23:11

I mean what else is the kids' responsibility? What other damaging things are entirely their own fault?

Quickerthanavicar · 30/06/2020 23:12

Wonder why she picked Robert Galbraith as a pen name?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath

PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 30/06/2020 23:14

Sapphos that just doesn't add up.

We've seen evidence from the Tavistock of girls being put on blockers after a cursory couple of appointments. We know that that dreadful quack Webberley was (& probably still is) giving out cross sex hormones to children like sweets.

So we know that you really don't need to be terribly persistent, insistent & consistent to find yourself exactly where Keira Bell is now.

& a lot of us also know that our own gender dysphoria was intense & overwhelming & went on for months or years. For some of us it never quite went away.

JKR is talking about herself, & about us. Not your trans mates.

Datun · 30/06/2020 23:14

[quote Quickerthanavicar]Wonder why she picked Robert Galbraith as a pen name?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Galbraith_Heath[/quote]
Fortunately you don't have to wonder. Because at least seven years ago she was interviewed and asked about the name and she described the reasons behind it.

God, this is tedious. You are what, the 50th person this week to ask that silly question.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/24/jk-rowling-robert-galbraith-harry-potter

prolefeed · 30/06/2020 23:17

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RufustheRowlingReindeer · 30/06/2020 23:18

Fortunately you don't have to wonder. Because at least seven years ago she was interviewed and asked about the name and she described the reasons behind it

Exactly

I really think a lot of this is grasping at straws

prolefeed · 30/06/2020 23:18

It’s brilliant how they read shite on twitter and rush over here thinking they are soooooooo original and clever. Bless.

OldCrone · 30/06/2020 23:22

They have to accept some responsibility for what has happened to them.

Do they have to accept responsibility for the mermaids jelly babies nonsense that they've been taught in school?

Do they have to accept responsibility for the actions of the doctors who prescribed the puberty blockers and hormones?

It is the job of adults to protect children from things that may do them harm, even when children demand those things.

What is your opinion of the negligent behaviour of those adults who are teaching children about the jelly baby gender spectrum and encouraging them to 'think about their gender' and pick a gender?

What is your opinion of the negligent behaviour of those doctors who have been prescribing these hormonal treatments to adolescents, knowing that the eventual outcome of doing this is unknown, and telling the children that it's all going to be good?

Read this, and tell me that this child should 'accept responsibility for what has happened to them'.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-children-puberty-blocking-drugs-for-the-past-four-years-i-ve-been-stuck-as-a-child-5s6tkh7z2

Datun · 30/06/2020 23:23

It still makes me laugh. The idea of a children's author, who has set up charities for deprived children and donated to a rape refuge and has trans and lesbian mates, would pick a name of some unutterably obscure bloke who was in favour of conversion therapy. So she can what? Secretly laugh people who don't know?

🤣🤣🤣

Quickerthanavicar · 30/06/2020 23:26

Wow! How rude.

prolefeed · 30/06/2020 23:36

Wow! So quick to try and slander a children’s author!

BigBadVoodooHat · 30/06/2020 23:37

Wonder why she picked Robert Galbraith as a pen name?

Stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Datun · 30/06/2020 23:37

Do they have to accept responsibility for the mermaids jelly babies nonsense that they've been taught in school?

Do they have to accept responsibility for the actions of the doctors who prescribed the puberty blockers and hormones?

Doctors who are recommended, by the jelly baby teachers, incidentally.

Quickerthanavicar · 30/06/2020 23:38

Slander is said not written! Night, night hun!

Datun · 30/06/2020 23:43

@prolefeed

It’s brilliant how they read shite on twitter and rush over here thinking they are soooooooo original and clever. Bless.
I don't think I've ever seen a single original comment from any of them, to be honest.

Twitter breeds goaders like battery hens

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 30/06/2020 23:47

@Quickerthanavicar

Slander is said not written! Night, night hun!
‘hun’ or ‘hon’ is a trans in-group insult for transwomen who do not pass as natal females - you don’t want to banned from MN for being a transphobe, do you? Best not to use it, if you aren’t trans...
Please tell me about JK Rowling
PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 30/06/2020 23:47

It's like Harryhausen's dragon teeth.