Please tell me about JK Rowling

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There's a lot of very pro JK Rowling sentiment here.
My children - especially my son - is very anti . . . and says what she has done is horrendous.
Please can someone help and explain the reason for her being so defended on here?
Thanks!

A bit like if one of them wrote an open letter to JK about their wizard stories, and gently suggesting to her that she's not really qualified to write about wizards
No one is qualified to write about wizards, they dont exist.
I dont believe men are qualified to represent women in any way at all, that means from parliament down.

One of the arguments I'm seeing here seems to be:

1. Children and young people know if they're trans and must be allowed and supported to transition, including medically.

1. Except the ones that decide after a while they're not trans, they were never trans.

1. But all children know they're trans so if they say they are, they are and must be affirmed, etc.

Have I got that right?

There’s a trans boy in my son’s year. He’s 13, taller than all the other boys and with a deeper voice and more facial hair - I dread to think what that particular cocktail of drugs is doing to a teenage girl’s body.

Are you in the UK? I thought prescribing cross-sex hormones to under-16s was illegal here. Isn't that what Helen Webberley was suspended for?

@SapphosRock

So to be clear, a child would never be prescribed cross sex hormones.

I thought that puberty blockers were only prescribed to those with very severe dysphoria to buy time and avoid the distress of puberty in the 'wrong' gender. I didn't think they were easy to get hold of at all?

So someone gender non confirming (I went through a phase of this too) would absolutely not fit the bill.

Except for the 16yo trying to fundraise to have her breasts replaced, because they were cut off at 15. Never happens, right? That nicely brings us to proponents of such surgery, who advocate for childhood ‘correction’ as, well, we can give you new tits later if you change your mind.

@VickyEadieofThigh

One of the arguments I'm seeing here seems to be:

1. Children and young people know if they're trans and must be allowed and supported to transition, including medically.

1. Except the ones that decide after a while they're not trans, they were never trans.

1. But all children know they're trans so if they say they are, they are and must be affirmed, etc.

Have I got that right?

Pretty much but no one has done any testing on puberty blockers, what damage they could do, if you can come off them and still go through puberty etc etc.

I know three girls below 16 on puberty blockers. Two are on T.
It is a disgrace. We are abusing children.

I could weep for the girls and boys on puberty blockers who are potentially being robbed of their reproductive function and condemned to a lifetime of medication and/or endless surgeries, all before they are old enough even to give informed consent. I understand the trans lobby uses 'Gillick competence' which was developed to allow underage girls to access contraception to prevent their lives being ruined by an unwanted pregnancy. Now it's being used to allow all these synthetic cross-sex hormones in. What happened to "First, do no harm."?

There are going to be class actions in future that could bankrupt the NHS.

where are all the middle aged women realising that they are actually men?

Here on MN. There are shitloads of us who have realised that according to the tenets of genderism we're actually men.

We just don't view that as a good reason to declare we're actually men, tell our children we're not their mothers, and book in for a mastectomy.

And of course there are children and young adults, who have suffered from some kind of sexual abuse and want to stop being the sex they are as they think that might put an end to it.

At the age of two I was aware that boys were different from girls because boys weren't expected to fellate the man next door but girls were.

Unfortunately, as I've discovered through bitter experience, no amount of denouncing femininity and dissociating from my body has made the slightest bit of difference to my likelihood of being raped.

I did pass as a boy beautifully online as a teenager though. Fooled everyone. Just didn't see any point in trying it offline; it would have gone down like a lead balloon. If I'd had societal backing I'd have been on it like a shot.

And again - it will only be money that changes anything. No one gives a fuck about the human beings we are mutilating, but once the first few cases start hitting bank balances, it’ll be a different story.
It’s impossible to give informed consent or use Gillick competence if no one has even studied long term outcomes. Now that the NHS website has been updated to reflect this fact (yeahhhh we don’t know if there are long term consequences), there does seem to be a smidge of arse-covering happening.
Shame it’s not better promoted.

@SapphosRock

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong they found the whole thing dismissive and patronising.

A bit like if one of them wrote an open letter to JK about their wizard stories, and gently suggesting to her that she's not really qualified to write about wizards.

No one is 'qualified' to write about anything. What on earth are you talking about?

You are equating life long medication and/or surgery and sterilisation for children who wish they were the opposite sex, and you can't tell me why they wish that, with someone who writes books???

Your utterly inconsistent premise seems to be J. K. Rowling can't know what it's like to feel gender dysphoria, but all these men can know exactly what it's like to be a woman. So she should shut up, but they shouldn't?

And so do tiny children?? So she should shut up about that as well. But everything they say should be taken at face value. What was it, four-year-olds?

Dear lord.

The Tavi themselves, a few days ago, admitted the strong possibility that the entire premise of transing children is down to homophobia.

Arrested development, never growing up, unknown consequences, irreversible cross sex drugs, life long medication, and mutilating surgery.

And you think it's the same as telling someone they can't write about fucking wizards.

My question is why? What is gender dysphoria trying to solve?

I can only speak for myself, but I know damn well what my problem was. Internalised misogyny and homophobia. Buried so deep I was in my 40s before I found it. I disliked girly things, for felt I must be a boy. And as i grew older, into my teens only watched/ read books / tv/ films by and about boys and men, so my internal image was default male.

Only coming to FWR and getting counselling for what I thought was an unrelated matter did my eyes open as to what had driven me all my life. I still get a jarring feeling when I see myself referred to as ‘she‘ in text.

There are going to be class actions in future that could bankrupt the NHS.

There is a Judicial Review pending.

The lead claimant, Keira Bell wants a court to look at validity of Gillick Competency in relation to transgender medicine. Her legal team has been crowdfunded - she isn’t suing for damages regarding what happened to her, but if a judge rules GIDS (the NHS paediatric gender service) has acted unlawfully, it could well open a route to compensation claims for others.

It’s been delayed due to coronavirus, but it’s already caused some ripples in private practice (surgeons have halted ‘top surgery’ aka double mastectomy, on 16-18 year olds as private hospitals are no longer willing to provide operating theatres, pending the results of the JR).

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/health-51676020

The point is Datun she had a very powerful point. If she'd have stuck to writing about her DV charitable work and how women's refuges need to be safe female-only spaces then nobody could have reasonably argued with her. She would have been an influential woman writing about things that affect women and that would have been great and brought the issues to the forefront.

In my eyes she ruined it by appropriating the experience of being transgender and dysphoric. She handed out ammunition to TRAs and made herself look a bit silly.

Ok out of curiosity I looked at buying testosterone online. It appears to be reasonably easy and cost around £80. I'm not an expert though.

And I already know HRT can be bought online because I tried last year for my menopause symptoms. And that's about £30.
Not the biggest cost to change ones entire body.
There appeared to be an online consultation but with the various media telling children how to con drs then an online consult would be dead easy.

In my eyes she ruined it by appropriating the experience of being transgender and dysphoric

But that’s NOT appropriating the experience of being trans. It OUR experience of gender identity. So many of us, on here TELLING You that it,is our lived experience. We hit all of those markers that are getting modern kids on the trans train, and more. By all modern definition we would have been those trans kids.

As pp said, it’s so telling that when women tell you (collective you,not personal you) this is our experience, we get dismissed. But here we are with people arguing that a man can know he’s a woman. No questions asked.

Back round in a circle once again. What’s the fundamental difference that gets the first group vilified or ignored, and the second group preferential treatment?

Yep, it’s a pile of misogynistic shite.

@SapphosRock

The point is Datun she had a very powerful point. If she'd have stuck to writing about her DV charitable work and how women's refuges need to be safe female-only spaces then nobody could have reasonably argued with her. She would have been an influential woman writing about things that affect women and that would have been great and brought the issues to the forefront.

In my eyes she ruined it by appropriating the experience of being transgender and dysphoric. She handed out ammunition to TRAs and made herself look a bit silly.

Again, what an earth are you talking about?

She said sex is real and menstruators was the wrong word to use for women. She never mentioned her dysphoria, and still got literally hundreds of people telling her to be fucked with a broken bottle and die sucking their dicks.

So don't tell me no one would 'reasonably' argue with her if only she hadn't mentioned the possibility that she could have been transed. The worst abuse, my FAR came at her before she even mentioned it. None of it was reasonable.

You haven't actually read the screenshots, have you.

In my opinion it is something fundamental and innate about a person which they cannot control. Like sexual orientation.

I'm sure outside influences can play a part in some cases, again like sexual orientation.

In the majority of cases the individual's body simply doesn't match how their perceive themselves

Gender dysphoria is no more like sexual orientation than it's like IQ or dyslexia, either of which could also fit into the first two sentences.

Sexual orientation is about orientation in relation to other people - it's completely different from someone orienting their sense of self in relation to their own body and their conception of gender stereotypes and IMO, it's thoroughly unhelpful to suggest they are any more similar to each other than anything else going on in one's brain.

Sappos, please read this and tell me what she said that you think was wrong, bearing in mind that you have already said "If she'd have stuck to writing about her DV charitable work and how women's refuges need to be safe female-only spaces".

And how do you think the response is 'reasonable'.

Sorry I forgot the link. It's a 15 second read.

medium.com/@rebeccarc/j-k-rowling-and-the-trans-activists-a-story-in-screenshots-78e01dca68d

Now Datun I didn't think she'd said anything particularly wrong on Twitter initially. I can see how it could be read as goady by TRAs but she didn't deserve those responses.

Her essay had some excellent points in it too and was coming from a good place, but appropriating the trans experience was misguided of her.

Sapphos, I'm sorry but I still don't understand how she "appropriated the trans experience" please can you explain it to me? What exactly did she say that wasn't simply "her" experience?

Her essay had some excellent points in it too and was coming from a good place, but appropriating the trans experience was misguided of her.

And well done for denying the experience of dozens of women on here, 90% of all the children who have attended gender clinics, and every de-transitioner on the planet.

Score!

I am surprised you have not come across her before. She is a hugely successful author who wrote a series of best-selling books about wizards and witches called “Harry Potter and the...”. These have in turn been made into blockbuster movies (though the acting of some of the main children characters could have been better). She has also written books under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith. She is now very wealthy so not beholden to people who might try to manipulate her with threats that would make many less successful individuals succumb.

She has given many of her millions away to a number of good causes.

She, and her work, remains hugely popular.