Extinction Rebellion says TWAW, no debate.

[WarmthAndDepth]

So disappointed to see this on FB and Twitter today, issued by Extinction Rebellion UK.
What science is it we're meant to be following?
Which truth are we telling again?
I really thought they'd do better than this.
Until this afternoon mods appeared to be deleting comments questioning the statement, but this evening some dissenting voices have been left to stand, at least for now.
Infuriating.

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I just don't understand how these organisations thing they can do anything while they embrace other, unrelated, divisive causes.

I had a shock at the last Canadian election - I had supported the Green Party for a number of years and they seemed to be going into the election saying that climate change was something that overshadowed everything else and needed to be dealt with by all Canadians. And then when they came out with their platform, one of the top items was talking about abortion.

Rather like the UK abortion isn't a particularly live issue in Canadian politics, but people tend to support it or not at a rather deep level, and their views generally have nothing to do with their feelings about environmental issues. In fact, the whole platform went from being one that was fairly balanced to being woke central with stuff about sex workers and all kinds of other things that were potentially divisive.

But how does this square with the "Climate change is an existential crises" business? Are you really going to get broad support for that when you also decide to push some of the most socially divisive issues around, ones with no real overlap to your main focus?

@Needmoresleep

The plastic litter left after their protests was appalling.

I worry that it is the same people/money latching onto causes that people genuinely care about: environment, race equality, gay rights etc and then pumping us with their priorities, including queer theory.

I sadly think you may be right there. Look at how they have hijacked women's health issues and period poverty. Not good.

Goosefoot - I think in the case of a political party it's a bit different, because they should have a coherent policy on anything which might matter to their constituents. Even if they're a small party they might form part of a coalition and have to deal with many issues.

But an environmental movement should stick to its remit. Alienating swathes of the population is immature idiocy. Climate change is too important to be sidetracked by anything else, let alone gender identity politics.

@ErrolTheDragon

Goosefoot - I think in the case of a political party it's a bit different, because they should have a coherent policy on anything which might matter to their constituents. Even if they're a small party they might form part of a coalition and have to deal with many issues.

But an environmental movement should stick to its remit. Alienating swathes of the population is immature idiocy. Climate change is too important to be sidetracked by anything else, let alone gender identity politics.

Yes and no. The fact is that there are many issues which it is not necessary to make part of your platform, because they are not live issues. No one is really proposing significant changes, or any changes, to Canada's abortion laws and there is no public consensus to make any. There is simply no need to put it in as a major platform question. It's also been very much the Green approach that they they acknowledge that they will not form the government or opposition but will use their MPs to pursue good environmental policy, and also that their MPs have significant freedom to represent their constituents according to the desires of those constituents.

They went from being a party that took good ideas from across the political spectrum and had a clear focus to being a party with a very progressive agenda that is deeply divisive - especially in places where they need to gain support.

I am looking into deep Green Resistance presently

Nobodysdaughter on Wikipedia it says ‘ the DGR believes armed warfare is necessary.‘
Do you really support a movement which promotes armed violence?

Every single political movement has utter dicks in it, because politics is by and for human beings. XR is leaderless and gender politics isn’t its coalescing point, so I have no idea why they are tweeting about this or who they can say that they are actually representing by saying it.

The gluing on to a train thing was stupid but XR did lots of other things too at the same time and have raised awareness of climate emergency which is a good, urgent thing to do. One of the reasons I am so pissed off with the need to have to defend being a woman is also that it’s such a massive distraction at a time of global climate emergency..

Fab. Good to know who they are.

Are we still supposed to believe in the science behind climate change now or is that in the bin with basic biology now?

I now know so many GC Green Party members, and a few candidates actually that I'm thinking of joining. Some part of me thinks a lot of younger people might join too so, worth trying to keep it balanced. Yes it's had a bad rep but I've also heard other sides of stories due to those I know within it.

(I'm not a brilliant practising green but I know we need to get serious about environmental stuff. Have done since the early 90s.)

Didn't know that bit about the deep greens; I do like their page on women though.

Are we still supposed to believe in the science behind climate change now or is that in the bin with basic biology now?

Science, unlike gender politics, isn't a matter of belief.

The climate is changing, and there is overwhelming evidence that it's largely man-made. Whether the XR crowd understand science or not makes no difference to reality.

And for avoidance of doubt, biology isn't in the bin either.

@ErrolTheDragon

And for avoidance of doubt, biology isn't in the bin either.

Are you speaking for XR or yourself?

Biology isn't XR's to bin, is it?

@ErrolTheDragon

Biology isn't XR's to bin, is it?

Isn't it?

YouTube.

"Canning Town Station."

"Extinction Rebellion."

This is what working class, middle class, tax paying, immigrant, Brit. Born, all colours, all ethnicities, don't live on social-media, female, women, male, men, Mumsnetters see of ER.

How could it possibly be? I've no idea what you're driving at.

Google "Canning Town station Extinction Rebellion terrorists v real people going about their business" on a multi person cleanish system.

Errol

Don't bother yourself. Waste of time asking.

Yeah they are not impressed at all

As I said I was looking into DGR, or any environmental movement that doesn't disregard biology.
I also didn't know about the "armed struggle" described on wiki. Food for thought, thank you!

What on earth has climate change to do with trans ideology?

They are abandoning the idea of being a one issue campaign group and starting to become a political group as well. What a shame. The idiots will alienate so many people by doing that.

Also, whoever is in the local group in Wales is culturally clueless. They made an entire display in English despite it being a mostly Welsh speaking area.

Bizarre. XR is meant to be about preventing the destruction of life on this planet. To narrow the audience by throwing in with that some gender ideology makes no sense and is irresponsible.

They're dickheads in Denmark too. They blockaded a McDonalds because "the rainforest" but wouldn't let a woman in a wheelchair through their blockade to use the loos. They let men through, by the way, because the men body checked them and they got out of the way.

I was so hopeful they'd be a force to reckon with but they're just more of the same.

This is infiltration and more grooming of the young.

Any children or teens who were involved in the school strikes will be aware of ER and taking an interest. The symbol is trendy. The ideas are exciting.

It's more propaganda to promote the ideology.

I think what I find strange about ER and what I have just read about DGR is they both put themselves forward as the leaders of a necessary revolution in western consumer society.

And although they both have their grand genstures, neither of them have any plan about how to work with everyday people, whose lives would be impacted by change. ie them seem to think that ordinary people shouldn't be part of it and presumably will be forced to accept whatever outcome these vanguard leaders achieve.

Very odd.

But I suppose you cant really pose as an eco warrior if in fact your campaigning is meeting up with the local mother and toddlers group, or getting pensioners involved.

So much more fun to get young people over excited and doing "daring" actions.