The effect of lockdown on transitioning teen girls

[Thegenderbreadperson]

I mentioned this on another thread, but as a worker in a high school we have found out during weekly phone calls home that since lockdown that most of our FtM students have de transitioned, perhaps as there is no longer the group peer pressure or affirmation from teachers? I was interested to see if there are any more examples - the other thread was started about Dr Haddock, and I felt this was worthy of its own thread.

In our school there were nine girls out of a approx 160 student year 9 cohort who identified as boys. Seven have now de transitioned since lockdown and one is considering it. Out of those nine I would have said three of them weren’t as committed as the others and had said they were “thinking about being non binary”, but were keen to remain part of that friendship group. It really is infectious.

Oh phew! Thank goodness.

TheRealMckenna- will check the grievance studies hoax out, thanks.

Deliriumoftheendless this video pretty much tells you all you need to know...

James Lindsay was on Joe Rogan this week. Interesting that Rogan said that he considered the Fallon Fox ‘Controversy’ the hill he was prepared to die on.

Thank you for that, will watch later.

Christ that video is terrifying

@MushyPeasAreTheDevilsFood

Christ that video is terrifying

Yep, sobering viewing but I’m glad someone is shining a light on this issue.

That video is indeed shocking and terrifying! Where is the peer critical analysis that is supposed to take place? How are these bollocks papers getting through?!

out of interest, is anyone aware of the process that the child goes through in school if they raise the subject of possibly being confused about their 'gender identity'. A teacher friend who is involved in the social transitioning of a ftm child without involvement (possibly knowledge) of the parents wasn't overly clear on what threshold (of distress?) on the part of the child was acceptable to start a serious conversation about actually kicking off the process.

My suggestion that a child (I was thinking mtf) could just decide that they were trans and go straight and use the opposite sex toilets to bug the girls was reject as being silly but then there was no further definition of what would 'count'. I also wondered about how transitioning a child at school without the involvement of parents fits in with normal flag raising for abuse etc - ie. if a school has concerns about the welfare of a child at home there is a very clear pathway that leads to social services being brought in. Presumably if a child tells the school that they don't feel comfortable/safe enough at home to discuss such a life changing decision (and lets face it, the family will be picking up the pieces), does the guidance tell the school to include social services or are normal safeguarding procedures completely ignored? Are there any teachers or parents with experience of this?

Our experience was that our daughter announced to her Year Head that she was now a boy and that was it. He immediately communicated this across the school and so formally transitioned her. He called our 17 year old son into a meeting and told him but did not tell us because she didn’t want us to know (no safeguarding concerns). The previous year she had announced she was nb and changing her name. The same Year Head had immediately ordered the systems changes to do this despite our objections. She was 13.

We had a battle to get the school to reverse all of this. Having spoken to lots of parents and teachers, our situation is not uniques, but there are still schools which will not transition behind the parents’ backs. I would be interested in knowing how many of the ones who do transition behind parents’ backs have someone “cheerleading” this within the school vs schools that don’t.

gosh @rogdmum that sounds terrible! Someone previously mentioned that it was dropped on them at Parents Evening - that seems inhumane - do they not consider the enormity of the situation for parents? There is no other situation (that I'm aware) in which they would cut the parents out in such a manner.

I think where schools have a “cheerleader” it’s viewed as this lovely self realisation of your inner essence which must be immediately validated without question. The fact that it’s more likely to be a manifestation of all sorts of other issues seems to be lost on them. Plus it’s easier for the school to deal with that way and any underlying problems are then just shuffled off to the next stage of that young person’s life. At least in our case, I believe that is true.

I've found a new term (well, new to me) - "transtrenders". It's describing the mostly young people who appear to be jumping on a trans bandwagon and saying that they are trans now, without ever having shown any sign or experiencing actual gender dysphoria.

I think the fact that transtrenders are also included in the trans category is one of the problems - that it's somehow fashionable to be "different" and "special".

Disturbing.

My child is very young and seems unaffected by the school's blatent celebrations of biological confusion as yet. I will say though he has progressed well beyond the school's learning targets during lockdown. Even with our sporadic attempts at home learning. Home learning suggestions did not follow up on his increased levels of understanding. I know other parents are experiencing the same significant improvements in their child's achievement from not being at the school. Less ideological sloganing and more skills in how to think rather than what to think is much needed.

@Yorkshiremummyof1.

Thanks for the video. I have not watched it yet. I presume this is a man and therefore "he" not "she". There really is no such thing as a "trans woman." We can never actually change our XX or XY biology however much we may seek to do so. Whatever underlying issues of self negation need to be compassionately addressed. We take on a fight with our own true and beautiful biology - we lose.

@Thegenderbreadperson Do you think any of your detranstioning pupils, and/or their parents, would be keen or at least willing to talk to the Sunday Times journalist about what's happened in lockdown? Anonymously of course.

I should add that I don't know what the journalist codes are for minors which might complicate things

hi @Thegenderbreadperson - hope all is well with you.

I was wondering if you knew how any of the pupils you were talking about had got on over the holidays? Are they all still feeling the same about things?

Yet if you suggest that perhaps these teanagers should see a psychologist not go on puberty blockers your anti trans. (Which is why some psychs who worked for tavistock actually resigned.)

I saw something on Twitter - maybe p*k news that suggested that more children were ‘coming out’ over lockdown - I’m not sure if that means gay or trans though.
The person I know is continuing with transition and is now on hormones (approx 5 months after appt with gender Identity clinic - presumably not face to face as it was during lockdown)

Ooo...I've been thinking about Genderbread and how things have panned out for their pupils over lockdown.

Did anyone else see what looked like a plunmet in GIDS referrals? (Sorry can't find it). Had 20/21 figures so I found them a bit hard to understand on a brief look but this could fit with lockdown. Obviously it's also hard to separate out reduced GP availability & hence referals.

Schools (and counsellors/therapists) need to understand that affirmation doesn’t actually bring much happiness

If Keira wins her case about affirmation in the NHS, I wonder if schools, school counselling and PHSE guidance will be reviewed....

Does 'affirmation' in Schools mean affirming the 'T' and not being allowed to consider that people can also be straight, L, G or B?

If Keira wins her case about affirmation in the NHS, I wonder if schools, school counselling and PHSE guidance will be reviewed....

I so hope so, reading the testimonies of families affected and the dad in Canada being prosecuted for not wanting his child to start hormone treatment aged 14 and seeing the attitude of teachers who think that it is perfectly ok to set a child on the transition path (an excellent article called Detransitioners on the Feminist Current website says that social transition is pretty much a one way street) without even informing the parents just blows my mind!! You wouldn't even expect a teacher to facilitate a drastic haircut for your 14 year old without your knowledge or consent so how can they set children on that path in all conscience?

I truly truly hope there ends up being some sort of change in schools who insist on affirming children regardless of circumstances- am hoping that Keira’s case reaches a wide audience.

I am in the process of trying to find out why the school affirmed our daughter behind our backs and then insisted we had no say as parents.They are refusing to give us any information about our daughter unless she is fully involved (data protection) but some of their actions involved our son as the school told him they had officially transitioned our daughter and then he was left with the burden of telling us.

He requested the school send me all of his information and it turns out they didn’t document anything about that meeting, However, round about 9 months earlier, he had requested some stickers for an LGBT day the school was having. This was deemed significant enough to email the Head to tell them.

So- a pupil asking for some LGBT stickers to show support for an event is significant enough to document, but holding a meeting to tell an unaware pupil his sister is now a boy at school (knowing his parents are also unaware) is not deemed significant enough to document? Unbelievable.

Could s3imeone link to the research that shows affirmation does not help? My dd now back at school has got immersed in the gender identity world again . Shes ASD and really struggling with her developing body- binder looking likely as much as i try and persuade her otherwise. She had an apparently "really good chat" with school nurse - i need to speak to school nurse...

@colouringindoors

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4015575-Correction-of-a-Key-Study-No-evidence-of-gender-affirming-surgeries-or-hormones-Improving-mental-health

maybe start a thread? on research that shows affirmation does not help