The effect of lockdown on transitioning teen girls

[Thegenderbreadperson]

I mentioned this on another thread, but as a worker in a high school we have found out during weekly phone calls home that since lockdown that most of our FtM students have de transitioned, perhaps as there is no longer the group peer pressure or affirmation from teachers? I was interested to see if there are any more examples - the other thread was started about Dr Haddock, and I felt this was worthy of its own thread.

In our school there were nine girls out of a approx 160 student year 9 cohort who identified as boys. Seven have now de transitioned since lockdown and one is considering it. Out of those nine I would have said three of them weren’t as committed as the others and had said they were “thinking about being non binary”, but were keen to remain part of that friendship group. It really is infectious.

journalist don't exist anymore - only trolls and shills sexist - some more highly paid than others.

An article on Mermaids published by Spiked today (by Jo Bartosch):

www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/03/mermaids-leading-children-up-the-trans-path/

Get so used to seeing Mermaids pushing their agenda it comes almost as a shock these days to see the other side of the argument in a mainstream setting.

Of all the terrible shit around this ideology, the transing of children pains and depresses me most and the article makes clear how much has changed with the advent of the radical trans agenda.

From the article -

But Mermaids has not always been so strident in advocating for medical intervention. Indeed, when the charity was founded in 1995, bloggers on its website, identifying themselves as young ‘transsexuals’, would often urge caution.

One 22-year-old, writing under the name Sian, warned:
‘You need to be unusually mature for your age to be able to transition stably at a young age… A lot of young (around my age or younger) transsexuals seem to think deep down that someone has a magic solution to their problems. Like the rest of life as an adult, this isn’t true.’

The affirmation-only stuff is still so new. We really have no idea as to how it will shake out long-term for these children, up until Green took charge of Mermaids kids weren’t transitioning prior to seeing a medical professional and ‘watchful waiting’ was the overwhelming advice professionals gave to parents and carers.

Now children arrive at GIDs fully socially transitioned, including having their names and sexual markers changed on their medical and school records.

It’s bonkers.

I still hope for a change in the trend but like you say DuDu it's too soon to know. Without even searching I've seen two articles recently on 'ftm' girls who went as far as double mastectomies but have de-transed in their early twenties.

What kind of insane quack is allowed to carry out cosmetic mastectomies on children??

I saw an article on Today yesterday about how wonderful lockdowns was for trans kids because they were such victims at school and in the outside world. America has a very different take. That and gender reveal parties and photo shoot makeovers for their small kids.

thank you @DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong - that is a very good article - I knew that this organisation and its leader had an agenda but seeing it all put down together like that tells a horrific story.

It does sound like rather than waiting to find out that her son was gay, the gay got 'cured'. Is this what the government meant when they talked about banning conversion therapy?
I still can't get my head around children and young people being encouraged or supported in taking dangerous hormone treatment (I didn't even cope well with the contraceptive pill) and to amputate healthy body parts to try and 'fix' themselves. I remember having a strong persistent feeling from a fairly early age that I didn't want children (and I wanted to do the same job as my dad). I thought that having children was absolutely something I was never going to do. I then met my future husband and 25 years on have three of the most amazing and beautiful children and I feel like it was the most right and perfect thing to do and love every minute I have with them. If I had been encouraged to act on that strong feeling at the time (especially if they promoted it as a fix to my horrid periods and erratic moods) I may have ended up doing something that I would regret for the rest of my life. Why are doctors being allowed to amputate healthy body parts on request? The young person I know that is going down the double mastectomy route had a big coming out as a lesbian a couple of years ago, then went off to university (this particular one seems to produce some very woke young people) - a big life change that can be quite discombobulating for many people - now she is 'gender queer'/non binary and wants to appear masculine. Everyone is publicly cheering her on and celebrating her bravery - I find that quite awful.

If you are gender non binary whatever - why alter your body to appear to be the opposite sex? Those born make don’t routinely have their willies chopped off do they but the girls try to remove their breasts. Why is this?

The only defence I can come up with for Susie Green is that having convinced herself that this extreme, borderline illegal pathway was the correct one for her child (for whatever motives, some of which might indeed be homophobic, her own words definitely do give that impression) that for the sake of her own mental health she cannot allow even a single moments worth of doubt to creep in, because the guilt of unnecessary medical intervention would be too much to bear.

However, taking this absolute refusal to question one’s own narrative and instead applying it to other people’s children, lobbying the government to apply it to other people’s children (even without parental consent) and making your living from applying that narrative (whilst railing against any actual scientific/medical research that might cast even the teensiest bit of doubt on your narrative) is the bit that I find unforgivable.

One of the big arguments for paediatric transition is that it makes for better ‘passing’ as the opposite sex (allowing them to leave their trans past behind and just live quietly in their chosen gender role). Yet this supposed benefit has largely been denied to Green‘s child, who has instead been paraded in the tabloid press and on tv to shore up Green’s narrative.

So, I ask myself, who exactly is Green doing this FOR? Because the only answer I can find so far is Green herself.

Serenity, those breasts attract such unwelcome and distressing attention from boys and men. As a teenage girl, I was embarrassed by then; they suddenly popped up and changed my life, triggering all kinds of unpleasant intrusions into my childhood.

Back in the day, we just had to get on with it. Shorts worn under our compulsory uniform skirts so the boys who flipped them from behind us in the corridor with their rulers didn't see our underwear, wriggling out of reach without attracting the teacher's attention in physics lessons when the boys behind competed to ping our bra straps or even unbuckle us, walking with our heads down to the bus stop so as not to catch a grown man's eye and be catcalled...

This was the daily gauntlet we ran and accepted as 'normal'. If someone had said I could end all this by transitioning, I'd have been tempted!

For those girls, lockdown shut down all the furore and gave them breathing space, and what a boon it has proved. I'm not a bit surprised but I am encouraged.

I saw a photo on twitter of poor women’s breasts which had been ‘ironed’ - my god the pain those girls mush have suffered. I can’t even imagine when they breastfeed. But this hasn’t been a ‘choice’ for them.

As I pointed out the DS - how many children in developing countries or in countries at war have time for this crap?

This is a video from an American YouTuber which I found quite interesting, she is a trans woman but talks about how children and young people don’t have the same concept of permanence as adults do, talking about trans being a trend etc. Some of her videos about YouTube drama are problematic but I found this one interesting

“People don’t treat transitioning as a permanent life choice” stuck out for me

Interesting how this thread is now appearing on Twitter (James Lindsay is one of the academics behind the ‘Grievance Studies’ Hoax)

twitter.com/conceptualjames/status/1279111906972831751?s=21

Ive just watched the one where blaire white interviews a F-m- F detransitioner called elle. Elle spent three years on testosterone. Was a depressed teen whose parents wanted a Quick fix. She has since detransitioned. The comments underneath are saying she wasnt actually trans because trans people dont detranition. she was a transtrender. Blaire was criticised too.

The trans community will not allow discussions from even inside their own communities.

I see some people on Twitter are questioning if it is true and also wondering what school.

It is 100% true, however I would say it is more like 6 than 9, as mentioned as three of the girls weren’t really serious but wanted to fit in with their peers.

Like I could disclose which school - I value my job! I suspect these numbers aren’t anything unusual and I would expect other schools are seeing a similar phenomenon so the school I work at will hardly stand out and be identifiable.

Anecdotal accounts from parents also appear to back this up - I would be so interested in A proper research project on lockdown/teenagers with gender identity issues..

Intriguing! I wonder if there are any formal studies on this?

Also, I wonder if this applies to girls socialising in strong peer groups only? The less gregarious, shyer girl might find refuge online and become MORE likely to transition as a result?

It is 100% true, however I would say it is more like 6 than 9, as mentioned as three of the girls weren’t really serious but wanted to fit in with their peers.

The concern is how far would those girls go in order to fit in? And given the no question affirmation approach, how easy is it to step back? Affirmation is not neutral acceptance - it is actively pushing them forward. And when everyone is ‘celebrating’ your new found ‘gender’ as a young impressionable teen girl you might find yourself ‘locked in’ to this.

Also, I wonder if this applies to girls socialising in strong peer groups only? The less gregarious, shyer girl might find refuge online and become MORE likely to transition as a result?

I’m not convinced shyness is a factor (In my experience they almost all are somewhat socially awkward) but as someone with a child in the family who seems to have desisted over lockdown (year 9) I have been talking to someone whose child has ‘come out’ (year 8) on another thread and we think we have found a pattern that makes sense of both.

[quote TheRealMcKenna]Interesting how this thread is now appearing on Twitter (James Lindsay is one of the academics behind the ‘Grievance Studies’ Hoax)

twitter.com/conceptualjames/status/1279111906972831751?s=21[/quote]
I’m sorry this is off topic, but in that thread there’s talk about Dolly Parton being “cancelled”. Does anyone know why?

You can’t cancel Dolly. 😡

This is such an interesting thread, thank you.
I was sent this by DM on Twitter. I have the author's permission to share and use it as I see fit but to keep her identity secret. So this seems a fitting place for her words to be heard.

I’m sorry this is off topic, but in that thread there’s talk about Dolly Parton being “cancelled”. Does anyone know why?

I saw that tweet. I don’t think it’s serious. Unfortunately, like Titania McGrath, he has a knack of predicting where things are going. Have you heard of the ‘grievance studies’ hoax?

Dolly has been suggested as a replacement for a
a confederate statue in her native Tennessee, so the current laws of the universe dictate that cancel culture must come for Dolly P next.

I shall be wearing my Dolly Metal tee today as a protective talisman, to hopefully ward off his predictions!

@Fishdoggy

This is such an interesting thread, thank you. I was sent this by DM on Twitter. I have the author's permission to share and use it as I see fit but to keep her identity secret. So this seems a fitting place for her words to be heard.

The answer is almost no one, sadly.

I spent yesterday looking at ‘tool kits’ for ‘transgender children’ in foster care - not one of them mentioned trauma. It was all affirmation only, gender identity is innate etc etc.

I am planning to go and see my MP about it all, once I have my documentation-ducks in a row.