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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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endofthelinefinally · 01/07/2020 15:54

It was sexual assault in the prison. I think it was rape in a locked ward, if I am remembering correctly, if it was the same person.

Sexnotgender · 01/07/2020 15:54

[quote BaronessSnippyPantsofCroneArmy]Rory Stewart said "when I was prisons minister, we had situations of male prisoners self-identifying as females then raping staff in prison."

He has never retracted that statement as far as I am aware.

www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/rory-stewart-mayoral-campaign-interview[/quote]
Stewart! Thank you, I could picture his face but couldn’t for the life of me remember his surname.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 01/07/2020 15:54

Holy fuck.

Flowers Allison.

Silence a black lesbian survivor of CSA - because talking about safeguarding might upset some certain people?

Cascade220 · 01/07/2020 15:56

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BaronessWrongCrowd · 01/07/2020 16:00

I'm just.... that's awful. They cannot get away with this, can they?

NonnyMouse1337 · 01/07/2020 16:03

@BaronessWrongCrowd

I'm just.... that's awful. They cannot get away with this, can they?
I really hope not.
CharlieParley · 01/07/2020 16:06

In the context of a statement about male violence against women and girls, where Allison mentions the horrific sexual abuse she experienced as a little girl by a man she trusted, Crowdjustice flagged first as "discriminatory" then "upsetting" and "offensive" the following of her words (contested words bolded):

I am crowdfunding to pay for legal representation to take this case to the Employment Tribunal to show that: no one should be discriminated against or victimised for campaigning for lesbian, gay and bisexual rights; LGB people are free to organise and campaign around sexual orientation and not trans rights without apology or permission from Stonewall or anyone else; criticism and investigation of notions of gender identity that are in conflict with, and doing harm to, the interests, safety and rights of women, children and LGB people, is not hateful or transphobic.

Just as there may finally be a reckoning about racial injustice, I hope there may also one day soon be a similar reckoning about male violence, oppression and woman-hatred; including a reckoning about this moment in history when men tried to run off with women’s rights.

I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.

I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.

I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.

I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.

I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.

It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.

JKRismyhero · 01/07/2020 16:07

I am horrified at this. It's despicable.

Xanthangum · 01/07/2020 16:08

A bit lost in all this is CJs promise to refund any 'tips' gathered as part of this campaign.

Almost as if they don't want to handle filthy T*fry money ..

crumpet · 01/07/2020 16:12

Has anyone else received this email - arrived a few seconds ago.

Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall
ValancyRedfern · 01/07/2020 16:12

I am genuinely scared now.

TheWayOfTheWorld · 01/07/2020 16:19

The other point is that they have retweeted support for a fundraiser of a trans woman (the complainant in the Bristol Uni case I believe) and AND allowed donor comments to stand (along the lines of "fuck TERFS" etc)

Bowednotbroken · 01/07/2020 16:20

Yes Crumpet - just had it too. Interesting (and good) that they've taken only the pledge amount and not the 'donation' (from mine at least).

twoHopes · 01/07/2020 16:21

As soon as the money has left our accounts I think we should all email them using GDPR language saying we want our personal data removed from their databases. They are legally obliged to delete you from their systems if you request it. I don't trust these people with my name/email address etc.

Sexnotgender · 01/07/2020 16:22

@crumpet

Has anyone else received this email - arrived a few seconds ago.
Nothing here. I just checked and I never got an acknowledgment of my donation at all.
Aesopfable · 01/07/2020 16:25

Why does that email say £20,000?

NotAGirl · 01/07/2020 16:25

Since I can't currently donate to Allisons case, (tried several times on Saturday) I have donated to Katie Alcocks case against the guides currently on CrowdJustice site. She needs more to meet her target.

I will still donate to Allison case when a reliable way is found, if necessary by ringing her solicitors and paying directly.

This attempt to silence Allison is just going to make me dig deeper

OvaHere · 01/07/2020 16:25

@TheWayOfTheWorld

The other point is that they have retweeted support for a fundraiser of a trans woman (the complainant in the Bristol Uni case I believe) and AND allowed donor comments to stand (along the lines of "fuck TERFS" etc)
What's interesting about that is that both sides are using Crowd Justice to fundraise - the other being Raquel Rosario Sanchez.

Yet CJ have only promoted one side on social media as well as allowing those comments containing slurs to stand.

howonearthdidwegethere · 01/07/2020 16:26

Yup. Had the same email just now.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 01/07/2020 16:29

Had the same email. Checked the page and the pledge button is back. They know they've seriously ballsed this up.

teawamutu · 01/07/2020 16:32

@crumpet

Has anyone else received this email - arrived a few seconds ago.
Yes, I did. Still not accepting new pledges though.
OvaHere · 01/07/2020 16:33

I've also had the same email. Only one though - I pledged twice. Hopefully they will take both amounts.

OvaHere · 01/07/2020 16:35

@BaronessWrongCrowd

Had the same email. Checked the page and the pledge button is back. They know they've seriously ballsed this up.
It's not back. If you click on the pledge now button you get a pop up saying they are not accepting donations.
BaronessWrongCrowd · 01/07/2020 16:40

Thanks Ova. Didn't get that far, should have checked.

Waspie · 01/07/2020 16:41

The email CJ have sent makes no sense. I immediately went into Allison's page to pledge again and it's closed. And yet the email specifically says it's open. I've replied asking them to correct the error.

What on earth is going on behind the scenes? It seems like a total fuck up.

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