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Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 27/06/2020 15:35

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CaraDune · 27/06/2020 15:36

If there's any way of her posting an address, I'll do it the old fashioned way and stuff used tenners in an envelope.

wellbehavedwomen · 27/06/2020 15:36

I'm pretty sure Crowd Justice had another GC case suspended, and then put back up again? Trying to remember which it was, but I do remember this happening another time. I donated 10% to them this time on the back of that decision on their part, in fact.

The reality is, she's raised so much so fast because a lot of people support her. She's said nothing at all hateful and she is fully entitled to use the law - that's what it is there for. What point is there for a platform such as this, if they won't allow people to take legal action? I'm hopeful they will accept that the law is there to protect us all.

WendyHoused · 27/06/2020 15:37

Surely they will reinstate shortly - what possible reason could they give for deleting it?

OldeMagick · 27/06/2020 15:37

I've emailed my complaint. I'm furious, yet still heartened that so many people are prepared to support Allison and will also double my amount if she has to find other means to fundraise.

I've also suggested they need to refund the extra money given to them by Allison's supporters

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 27/06/2020 15:37

Argh, no, sorry, I think that might be an older one. Got it from Allison's Twitter.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/06/2020 15:40

This is all indirect discrimination against women, surely?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/06/2020 15:40

I will give Allison the money if I have to travel to London and put the cash in her hands myself.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 27/06/2020 15:42

Fucks sake!! I am furious. Perhaps I will just write Allison a cheque and post it, or will stonewall shut down the royal mail as well?

NoSquirrels · 27/06/2020 15:44

Have emailed CJ - surely the extra ball-ache associated with fucking this up means they’ll get it back up sharpish.

The CJ t&cs:

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We furthermore reserve the right to cancel any Pledges made to a Case without notice should we in our sole discretion determine that you have breached any of these CrowdJustice Terms or pose any risk of doing so. We will not be liable to you for any losses that you suffer or incur as a result of us doing so.

Nihiloxica · 27/06/2020 15:45

@Ereshkigalangcleg

This is all indirect discrimination against women, surely?
What's indirect about it?
NoSquirrels · 27/06/2020 15:45

I’ll also be donating again as soon as it’s back up. Fuck them. You can’t shut us all up.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/06/2020 15:50

What's indirect about it?

I mean to women as a class, attacking women's rights and taking down women's rights crowdfunders where others are allowed to stay up.

Chrestomanci3 · 27/06/2020 15:50

Donated this morning, am really upset that once again they are trying to silence women. Will be increasing my donation once it is possible.

DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 27/06/2020 15:51

Let’s hope this was taken down by artificial intelligence (due to some kind of x reports and delete algorithm) and it will be back up when a human being looks at it on Monday morning.

Nihiloxica · 27/06/2020 15:53

@Ereshkigalangcleg

What's indirect about it?

I mean to women as a class, attacking women's rights and taking down women's rights crowdfunders where others are allowed to stay up.

I know, sorry. I was being wry. I should have used an emoji.
ThePurported · 27/06/2020 15:57

I'm pretty sure Crowd Justice had another GC case suspended, and then put back up again? Trying to remember which it was, but I do remember this happening another time. I donated 10% to them this time on the back of that decision on their part, in fact.

It has happened on other crowdfunding sites, but surely not on CrowdJustice?

loveyouradvice · 27/06/2020 16:02

I came back on this thread to make my donation having read it earlier without my cc to hand....

CJ are quite clear that everyone has the right to justice so I am confident it will go back up.... though 6 days for Transgender Trend to go back up - that's a long time to investigate!

When it does I will be sending it to LOTS of people - this has made me seriously mad. As it has so many others. So ALLISON you are going to get one heck of a lot of money from an awful lot of people.... Amazing woman.

And hopefully this will give LGB Alliance lots more publicity too - so many people haven't yet heard of them .... and I can't be the only one that thinks they'll be the main organisation within 10 years unless Stonewall does a radical U Turn ... which I don't think its set up to do. I am so looking forward to all those companies suddenly realising that being a Stonewall Champion is toxic - it will happen and that is what Stonewall are afraid of

Needmoresleep · 27/06/2020 16:02

Ah, I had not realised that Stonewall has a new Chair started April 20.

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-announces-new-chair-trustees-0

Apposite quote from Sheldon Mills’ statement

“Whether you’re a working-class lesbian of colour up in Dundee, a trans man living in Aberystwyth or a bi refugee who’s just arrived in the UK, Stonewall is here to fight for you.“

What a pity Allison is not from Dundee. Otherwise she could feel secure that Sheldon had her back.

The new CEO apparently finally started in June. Sheldon was instrumental in hiring her and will play a key role in her induction.

Needmoresleep · 27/06/2020 16:06

Who governs CrowdJustice?

Is it the FCA?

If so Allison can be reassured by the fact that Sheldon Mills, the new Stonewall Chair, holds a senior position with the FCA.

Ohhh, I forgot. Allison is not from Dundee, so the wrong kind of black lesbian.

Saltovinegar · 27/06/2020 16:08

So we have the Black Lives Matter movement and Pride month. Bit of an own goal to silence a black lesbian. Or is it the fact she's a woman?

I can't articulate my thoughts I am so furious.

My debit card is ready.

thisonebreath · 27/06/2020 16:17

Once this is back up I will donate again.

thereplycamefromanchorage · 27/06/2020 16:20

I was going to donate anyway, but once it's back up again, I will double the amount because these complaints have annoyed me so much. I found Alison's statement very moving and reasonable.

Binterested · 27/06/2020 16:25

I just looked him up. He uses an FCA logo with a rainbow inserted into it. Thankfully the main FCA site is as boring as ever !

VickyEadieofThigh · 27/06/2020 16:28

I'm going to donate more as soon as it's possible.

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