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Allison Bailey to sue Stonewall

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OhHolyJesus · 27/06/2020 08:20

There is a crowdfunder so I won't share the link but here a part of the text. It's long but brilliant and this isn't the half of it. Off to find my wallet...

The new trans activism: all scrutiny and critical voices labelled ‘transphobic’

In early 2018, when I first heard that plans were underway to make the lives of trans people easier, my reaction was that this was a good thing and I did not give it a second thought. I kept coming across the term ‘TERF’ but ignored it. I thought that bigots were simply being called out.

Then one day I clicked on a link: terfisaslur.com where someone had collated the online abuse that was being directed at women who I realised had entirely valid concerns and questions about the wisdom of replacing sex with gender.
I learnt that the new trans activism wants to smash the distinctions between men and women; replacing sex with notions of gender identity; making sexual difference a matter of self identification; and demands that any and every man that wishes to identify as a woman must be allowed to do so.
I learnt that the new trans activism is focusing, inexplicably, on young children and declaring them ‘trans’; treating puberty as a disease to be blocked with powerful drugs; delivering our young people into the arms of a multi-million pound industry of big pharmaceutical companies and plastic surgeons.
I saw that the same males who would have society regard them as women, were quick to brandish knives, axes, baseball bats and nooses, as they threatened with rape women who questioned the wisdom of replacing sex with gender —TERFs.
I realised that the new trans activism operated a crude but effective system of punishment and reward: agree with every demand of the trans lobby and be safe; object and face vilification, abuse, boycott, character assassination and cancellation.
I was horrified (and terrified).
I wanted to look away, to pretend that I had not seen it; that it did not reveal the worst woman-hating, lesbian hating, misogyny that I have ever come across in my lifetime.
I did not look away and I urge others not to either. Thanks to brave women who have come before me, such as the late, great, Magdalen Berns, whose courage and no nonsense approach to calling out the new trans activism as the men’s rights movement it so clearly is, gave me courage.
I realised that I did not have to accept that any man can claim to be legally a woman, without having to undergo any hormone or surgical intervention, psychological evaluation or risk assessment.
I realised that it was okay and necessary to say that it is reckless and naive to think that men will only identify as women if they are stunning and brave and harmless: that the wicked, abusive, predatory, unwell and downright cantankerous will, by some miracle, refuse to take advantage of free and easy access to women, to their politics, safe spaces, sports, legal protections and identities.
I was shocked to discover that significant numbers of male sex offenders are permitted to identify as women and nothing is being done to stop them. In England and Wales, some 40 per cent or more of trans identified males in the prison population are men with convictions for sex offences, including rape and possession of the most serious indecent images of children. I read a steady stream of news reports from around the world of males who identify as women committing serious sex offences.
It is repugnant to me and wholly unacceptable, and frankly unbelievable, that the new trans activism demands that sex crimes committed by males who identify as women are recorded as having been committed by women; and that these males can demand to be referred to by female pronouns.
I discovered that women incarcerated in prison are left vulnerable to serious sexual assault and mental anguish, as males, including sex offenders, are locked up with them. The new trans activism demands that a man’s desire to identify as a woman is more important than the right of imprisoned women to safety and dignity. These women have no way to escape, no choice, they are locked up. I do not see how this is anything other than state facilitated abuse and mental torture.
Where there should have been discussion, investigation and inquiry, there has been the silencing of concerned and critical voices; not voices from the far right, but from women like me, who are of and from the progressive left.
Mantras have been chanted because the new trans activism is a movement that cannot bear scrutiny: TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN; TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS; TRANS PEOPLE ARE WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE; PROTECT OUR TRANS SIBLINGS, and so on, do nothing to engage with and address the serious concerns that exist about replacing sex with gender.
The new trans activists are joined by politicians, journalists, lawyers, writers, entire organisations, and assorted celebrities, in the chanting of these mantras to shut down debate, while others who are appalled at what they see happening are too afraid to speak out. It is cult like behaviour, it is Orwellian, and it has disgraced and shamed a generation.
Labelling all critical voices ‘transphobic’ is a cynical political ploy of the new trans activism. It must be resisted.

Surviving child sexual abuse: understanding that women and girls are oppressed because of their sex and not their gender identity
The man who sexually abused me as a 9 year old little girl; the man who targeted my single-parent mother; the man who told me that I could trust him whilst he slipped drugs into my orange squash to render me helpless as he sexually assaulted me, was tried and convicted of multiple sexual assaults against me in 2015, and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from prison last month (May 2020) to serve out the rest of his sentence on licence.

I make this disclosure now because I feel compelled to stand in solidarity with other women with similar experiences of male physical and sexual violence. It is not weaponising trauma to say so, any more than recounting racist abuse is.

We must not allow men or women to bury, minimise and ignore the visceral reality of male violence. We must not allow the new trans activism to force survivors back into the closet; this would be an abuser’s charter.

It should be a cause of great alarm that the new trans activism takes such a regressive and shaming attitude to disclosures of abuse. This culture of denial and belittling has been the bedrock and the hallmark of every abuse scandal. It is a red flag that signals a safeguarding catastrophe in the making.
It is women like me whose lives have been torn apart and seriously blighted by wanton acts of male violence that know that men are often not who they say they are or claim to be.
I know that conflating sex with notions of gender identity will leave women with no legally enforceable boundaries against any man.

I know that if the new trans activism is not brought to heel, women will disappear as a political class.

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OvaHere · 27/06/2020 14:31

I think it will get reopened. I can't be 100% on that but crowd justice have hosted a lot of our fundraising. Maya's is still there. I think the Girl Guide one is on CJ and the Keira Bell case also.

Let's not hate on CJ just yet. If they get mass reports they have to say they've checked them out. If it doesn't go back up then let them have it!

teawamutu · 27/06/2020 14:32

Crowd Justice, if you're reading: I DO NOT WANT MY MONEY BACK!

Thank you.

littlbrowndog · 27/06/2020 14:33

Ok ova 👍

Clymene · 27/06/2020 14:33

Such a good look, bullying a black lesbian

Datun · 27/06/2020 14:33

This won't stop Allison Bailey. Heck, people would shove cash in envelopes and send it round to her office.

Plus the David and Goliath imagery is undeniably useful.

Roseburn · 27/06/2020 14:34

Just makes me more determined to contribute to her.

Xanthangum · 27/06/2020 14:36

If it doesn't go back up soon I would like my extra pound back please.

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Timetospare · 27/06/2020 14:38

@Roseburn

Just makes me more determined to contribute to her.
Me too, I’d even worked out my message of support! I’ll double my intended donation when it goes back up.
DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong · 27/06/2020 14:39

The irony of a black lesbian taking actions towards having her side of the story heard by the system of justice in her home country, and the opportunity being taken from her by the (largely) heterosexual (as per the definition in U.K. law, MNHQ) majority white males who Stonewall now champion is absolutely fucking enormous.

This is not social justice, chaps, not by a long shot.

OvaHere · 27/06/2020 14:44

Despite what I said above I am a bit concerned this case might be the exception with CJ. Their tweets don't look promising.

I'm wondering if it's more than mass TRA reporting and if Stonewall have sent their lawyers in on this one.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 27/06/2020 14:47

Any other way she could raise funds? Through LGB Alliance?

anotherFOIrequester · 27/06/2020 14:47

This is unbelievable!!

VickyEadieofThigh · 27/06/2020 14:49

TRAs doing what they do best - piling on the pressure under the accusation "transphobia".

Aesopfable · 27/06/2020 14:49

What basis could Crowd Justice have to block her that are not also based on discrimination?

McDuffy · 27/06/2020 14:54

Wonder if PayPal would work!
LGB Alliance had two of their funding appeals shut down and in the end have had to call it "human rights" or similar, I saw on my regular direct debit.
The infrastructure is against us.

CaveMum · 27/06/2020 14:55

I think this highlights the flaw in CJs reporting system. Most likely they’ve been spammed with complaints and their system has an automatic threshold that suspends accounts once they reach a certain number. It will then require a manual override to reinstate the account.

Nihiloxica · 27/06/2020 14:57

Glad I did not donate to them if they are prepared to pull the fundraiser of a well known black lesbian lawyer.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 27/06/2020 14:58

Funny how privileged, mostly heterosexual, white males can claim to be more oppressed than a black lesbian.

BitchPeas · 27/06/2020 14:58

I was about to
Donate when it was pulled. As soon as it’s back/on another platform I’ll be donating double.

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/06/2020 14:59

Will also be doubling my donation.

There never is the courage to answer the case and win the argument on fair grounds. Just an attempt to deprive anyone and everyone else of their rights, their voice, their fair opportunity to put their side. Cowards. The complainants to crowd justice have just by themselves proved every word of Allison Bailey's statement.

Datun · 27/06/2020 15:00

I'd bet my house that it will go back up.

But even if it doesn't, the resulting publicity can only be positive for Allison Bailey.

Fartarsing around with a crowd funder is not going to make this issue disappear. It's just going to make them look worse and worse.

It's almost a gift.

Everything they do is self sabotage.

CaveMum · 27/06/2020 15:02

Nice tweet of solidarity from TT

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SameOldBS · 27/06/2020 15:02

@Datun

I'd bet my house that it will go back up.

But even if it doesn't, the resulting publicity can only be positive for Allison Bailey.

Fartarsing around with a crowd funder is not going to make this issue disappear. It's just going to make them look worse and worse.

It's almost a gift.

Everything they do is self sabotage.

Yes, you're right. Much as it makes me furious, we should welcome this kind of behaviour for shining a light on the madness.
2old4thissite · 27/06/2020 15:03

Where's the Daily Mail when you need them?
Someone give them a nudge

StandUpStraight · 27/06/2020 15:04

The more cornered they are, the more outrageous their behaviour becomes. That won’t end well for them. I’ll be donating double what I would have done as a result of them showing at the outset exactly what sort of dirty tactics Allison Bailey is up against.

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