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Twitter has suspended me

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Glinner · 27/06/2020 03:16

I'm really sorry to barge in on you Mumsnettters with my problems, but
I've been finally suspended from Twitter and I have a feeling they're either going to ban me or just take my verified tick. I've submitted an appeal with Twitter and the Better Business Bureau but I thought I'd post here too so people knew what was going on.

Recently, I keep being locked out of my account and forced to delete tweets to get back in. The latest tactic by trans rights activists is to run a search for any time I've used the word 'groomer', a phrase Twitter recently decided was Not Allowed.

This was not a violation of Twitter's ToS at the time I used the phrase, and I have been careful to avoid it since. I still use the word 'grooming' in various permutations because I believe that gender ideology is a form of societal grooming. It is a very real threat to the wellbeing of women and children and if our ability to name a threat is removed, it is even more difficult to fight that threat.

You may remember that Twitter similarly removed Canadian feminist Meghan Murphy. She lost her account when she said "that's him" about 'Jessica' Yaniv. Bear in mind that Yaniv was still going under 'Jonathan' at the time, and just as in my case, her crime against Twitter's Terms of Service was not actually an offence at the time she committed it. She probably never thought she could be banned from the public square for uttering the words "that's him". But that's Twitter.

Twitter has a high percentage of trans-identified employees and for some time has been silencing feminists and their allies who run afoul of its absurd 'misgendering' policies. The one good thing about my situation is that I'm in great company--Claire Graham, Meghan Murphy, Skylar Gwynn, Miranda Yardley, GNC Centric and many more, important feminist and critical voices who have been silenced for fighting a dangerous ideology that tells children it's possible to be born into the wrong body.

Anyway, that's what's happening. Please let people know it's entirely down to malicious reporting from the usual suspects and please keep watching my YouTube Channel and visiting my depressing blog. I'll also be available on Glindr if people from Twitter want to re-establish contact there. Hope it's ok to post these links to those destinations

YouTube:
Glindr: glindr.org/home
Women are Important: glinner.co.uk/

Thanks for all the support, and thanks for letting me fight alongside you.

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LondonCaIIing · 27/06/2020 19:32

At my gym the showers have cubicles and the changing area does not. I shower, wrap in towel, then get changed on the benches by my locker. This involves me being naked in front of other women and girls. I'm fine with that, the ones who aren't get changed within the shower cubicle.

If transwomen are women, a biological male can openly strip naked in front of the other women and girls, or stand around while they are naked? Is that the situation right now?

ItsSummer · 27/06/2020 19:34

My understanding is that transgender people are not saying or claiming to be female - they are saying they want the right to identify as a woman

Hahahahahhahahaha what do you think TWAW is all about then?!

TehBewilderness · 27/06/2020 19:34

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

What? Anyone can be hysterical

it's the etymology of the word Edna

the implication being that being a womb bearer makes your brain work less well innit

Hysteria is the result of a wandering womb. If you do not have a womb you cannot be hysterical, however you can always be accused of being hysterical because reasons.
ExoticEdna · 27/06/2020 19:35

I am female , of course I haven't joined today I've been on MN years mnhq can verify. 'Bugger off'?!

'Communal showers (single sex), where everyone strips naked, are the norm in Germany.'

Well it isn't the norm in the UK. Most 13yr olds, and many adults, would be horrified by anyone stripping naked.

I'm not saying there aren't concerns, but I would be interested to know how many transwoman actually do strip naked in changing rooms and intimate teenagers.

I think we will find as new facilities are built unisex or family changing areas will become the norm.

Maerchentante · 27/06/2020 19:36

When I was 13 I had been going to the local pool without "parental supervision" for quite a while, usually with friends. I would have run screaming if a biological male had shared the female shower room with us.
I would still feel more than uncomfortable if that were the case now, which would then give me the label "transphobe".

ExoticEdna · 27/06/2020 19:36

Intimidate*

Lamahaha · 27/06/2020 19:37

@Doyoumind

Exactly *bellini". The swimming pool near me is large but old and the changing facilities are woeful. There are only a few cubicles and so when it is busy the only option is to change in the communal area. Schools use one of the pools and there aren't enough cubicles for all the girls to use them. It's very relaxed and many women strip completely in the shower. Boys have to change in the men's from 8yo but some people are OK with anyone who says they are a woman changing in there, apparently, penis or no penis.
Before lockdown I used to go three times a week to an aquatics class at a private pool in a hotel. There were no cubicles for changing; we all changed in a communal room with lockers for our clothes. Most of us in the class were women over 60.

With self-id, we would have to allow transwomen, with or without surgery, to change with us. I can imagine how 20 60+ women would feel about that! But with self-id, we would not be asked. My guess is the class would soon be emptied of all of us.

Thank goodness, self-id has been axed. But it could return.

There is a sign in the pool saying that children above the age of 6 (or 8 -- I can't remember) should change in the room assigned to their sex; and yes, it says SEX.

TehBewilderness · 27/06/2020 19:38

TWAW only fools those who don't know the difference between an adjective that modifies a noun, tall woman and Black woman for example, and a compound word which changes the meaning of the noun entirely, Seahorses are not horses, hot dogs are not dogs, trans women are not women.

Doyoumind · 27/06/2020 19:38

I just said Edna that at my pool, in the UK, many women do strip naked and no one cares. It really doesn't matter if someone with a penis keeps their costume on in the shower or not. They shouldn't be there amongst girls and women. They would be unlikely to get a cubicle, as they are scarce, and so would be stripping naked at some point.

ChloeCrocodile · 27/06/2020 19:39

Most 13yr olds, and many adults, would be horrified by anyone stripping naked.

Utter nonsense. Every single gym I’ve used (I’m UK based) has had communal changing areas, and women are often naked because they’re getting changed. Trying to pretend it doesn’t happen is disingenuous at best, as it suggests you aren’t here to debate in good faith.

doublehalo · 27/06/2020 19:40

@ExoticEdna

'Says someone who has never been in a women's changing room at a gym or a swimming pool.'

Ah sorry I misunderstood. When the pp said should a 13yr old have to shower with a 50yr old stranger with a penis it sounded like it was just the 2 of them alone locked in a cubicle.

If you mean communal showering areas where people have swimming costumes on what difference does it make whether it's a man in trunks or a transwoman in a swimming costume? I would make sure a 13 yr old had adult supervision if I didn't think they could manage.

A 13 year old girl wouldn't need supervision in a women oniy changing room.
prolefeed · 27/06/2020 19:40

I am boggled. Our women’s changing room everyone is naked. You kind of have to be. To get in and out of your costume. We are talking about women’s changing rooms. Not unisex rooms. (Although frankly that’s what they are.)

TornadoOfSouls · 27/06/2020 19:41

Most 13yr olds, and many adults, would be horrified by anyone stripping naked.

Well, that’s not true.

TehBewilderness · 27/06/2020 19:42

I'm not saying there aren't concerns, but I would be interested to know how many transwoman actually do strip naked in changing rooms and intimate teenagers.

Google is your friend. In one school the entire female student body refused to go to school until the admin removed the wanker.

borntobequiet · 27/06/2020 19:42

Horrified by anyone stripping naked in changing rooms? I strip naked every time I shower after the gym, because they are women’s changing rooms. Not everyone does, some hide under towels, but at least half of us do. Why would anyone be horrified? I’d be pissed off if I saw a penis though.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 27/06/2020 19:43

@ExoticEdna

'Says someone who has never been in a women's changing room at a gym or a swimming pool.'

Ah sorry I misunderstood. When the pp said should a 13yr old have to shower with a 50yr old stranger with a penis it sounded like it was just the 2 of them alone locked in a cubicle.

If you mean communal showering areas where people have swimming costumes on what difference does it make whether it's a man in trunks or a transwoman in a swimming costume? I would make sure a 13 yr old had adult supervision if I didn't think they could manage.

You’d have been better off not replying to this. At least then I’d have thought maybe you’d got sick of the thread and not bothered looking again. As it stands, the fact you’re avoiding answering with a “of course a trans woman with a penis should be allowed to shower where ever she feels comfortable and transphobes should educate themselves” because even YOU cannot bring yourself to go along with that trope, shows me that deep down, the TWAW supporters know the damage this can and will cause. At the moment you’re ignoring it and happy to let girls and women be collateral damage so that you can “be kind”.
Lamahaha · 27/06/2020 19:45

Well it isn't the norm in the UK. Most 13yr olds, and many adults, would be horrified by anyone stripping naked.

As I said above, at the pool I go to there are communal single-sex changing rooms for men and women. And yes, we strip naked while changing. There are single cubicles for showers, however, with curtains. But some of the women leave the shower naked after the session to go and get dressed.

I'm not saying there aren't concerns, but I would be interested to know how many transwoman actually do strip naked in changing rooms and intimate teenagers.

Probably not so many in the UK atm. But in the USA it is not at all rare, and in such cases it is the girls who are not allowed to complain when transgirls join them in places where they are undressed. I've read of many such cases. They are labelled transphobic. Had UK feminists not fought vehemently against self-id this would have been the case here as well.
There are media reports; I could dig them up if I were arsed. Maybe I will.

TehBewilderness · 27/06/2020 19:46

@Serafinapekkalas

I agree with previous posters who dislike what the FWR board has become over the last few years.

I've been on MN for a long time, I don't post often
and I've changed names quite a few times but I have got lots of useful advice from members and have spent many a happy hour enjoying a parking thread.

I am a middle aged mother of two children, I am a feminist and I am very uncomfortable with the language used by those who are gender critical. I believe that some of the language used is transphobic especially when misgendering and dead naming people.

I have avoided the feminism boards for a while now due to the number of trans threads. However these conversations have now spread throughout MN and I've come across them in many threads in AIBU, chat, parenting etc and it is getting harder to avoid.

I support trans lives and I believe trans women are women.

Can you codify belief into law? Will you mandate that people can transition from one sex to the other and must be treated accordingly? That children who fail to conform to sex role stereotypes are to be taught they were born in the wrong body & will be treated with drugs and surgery? How will you punish the non believers? The heretics.
ExoticEdna · 27/06/2020 19:47

'it really doesn't matter if someone with a penis keeps their costume on in the shower or not. '

Well as I say facilities are all becoming more 'changing village' nowadays with cubicles for privacy.

How many teenagers have been faced with a penis in a female changing room does anyone know? Bewilderness I will Google, I thought there'd be readily available stats here though.

ItsSummer · 27/06/2020 19:49

@ExoticEdna

'it really doesn't matter if someone with a penis keeps their costume on in the shower or not. '

Well as I say facilities are all becoming more 'changing village' nowadays with cubicles for privacy.

How many teenagers have been faced with a penis in a female changing room does anyone know? Bewilderness I will Google, I thought there'd be readily available stats here though.

There are plenty of rape/ sexual abuse cases by trans'women' if you’d care to look
ItsSummer · 27/06/2020 19:49
  • in changing rooms/ public toilets.
AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 27/06/2020 19:49

@ExoticEdna

'it really doesn't matter if someone with a penis keeps their costume on in the shower or not. '

Well as I say facilities are all becoming more 'changing village' nowadays with cubicles for privacy.

How many teenagers have been faced with a penis in a female changing room does anyone know? Bewilderness I will Google, I thought there'd be readily available stats here though.

How many does there have to be for you to give a shit?
RufustheRowlingReindeer · 27/06/2020 19:49

Really attempting to dodge that question edna

Would you honestly say that, however unlikely, you have no problem whatsoever with the scenario

Binterested · 27/06/2020 19:50

The stat I can give you is that 90pc of sexual assaults that happen in changing rooms happen in mixed sex changing rooms. Well documented in the press - data obtained via FOI requests.

That should be sufficient to close this down. Unless women’s safety is utterly unimportant.

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