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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
OldCrone · 23/06/2020 21:03

MNHQ closed the thread on this. There are a few deletions, but I didn't see anything like the abuse PN have described.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3945350-Leeds-Library-hosts-Drag-Queen-Story-Hour-on-June-22nd

ShinyFootball · 23/06/2020 21:08

'We are women. And it is our female biology which makes us women. It is our sex.”

OMFG WHATEVER NEXT

Also why is the article going on and on about transphobic when the performer is a gay man? Weird.

Kit19 · 23/06/2020 21:10

waves to the eyeballs in the sky

good to be reminded people are always watching

Whatsnewpussyhat · 23/06/2020 21:11

Drag queen doxxed and threatened with crucifixion by Mumsnet users

How the fuck are they allowed to publish such shite?

Drag Queen Story Hour UK being cancelled is a ‘kick in the face’ for LGBT+ youth

Why? Why can't they get a gay policeman or a lesbian doctor to read a story? Why does is have to be an adult entertainer dressed as an over sexualised parody of woman? It's almost like they're trying to get kids exposed to men's fetishes.

gardenbird48 · 23/06/2020 21:12

@Xanthangum - thanks for the tip - I'm new here - will do :¬)

Porridgeoat · 23/06/2020 21:26

Threats to their life? I recon that’s a lie. Would be rare for a biological woman to make such threats.

FreeKitties · 23/06/2020 21:32

What’s good is anyone can go on the threads here and see for themselves that no such threats were made.

ShinyFootball · 23/06/2020 21:37

'Why can't they get a gay policeman or a lesbian doctor to read a story? Why does is have to be an adult entertainer dressed as an over sexualised parody of woman'

This.

An older lesbian who has a butch style will do WAY more to challenge gender norms than this sexist shite.

ShinyFootball · 23/06/2020 21:40

Or how about DH who is built like a brick shithouse telling them about his love for embroidering?

The drag thing may feel liberating for some men, and aware it is a very long term thing on the gay scene.
Doesn't do much for women though does it.

JemimaShore · 23/06/2020 21:53

Mumsnetters objecting to Drag Queen Story Time because of child safeguarding concerns does not equal "making threats" to him personally.

This is the only mention of 'crucifixion' I can find on that thread: I'm sorry but anyone also mocking ADHD would be crucified. Why do they get a pass? It's highly inappropriate. All of it.

If either the drag queen, or PN think that's a threat, they need new reading glasses and a reading comprehension class.

Or they're lying and looking to smear Mumsnet.

I wonder which it is?!

NewAccountForCorona · 23/06/2020 21:54

I suspect doxxed means "they looked at my facebook page and sent screenshots to the library"

If there was nothing unsuitable on their social media pages, then there would have been nothing to complain about. Apart, obviously, from the rather inappropriate name Hmm

Enderthedragon · 23/06/2020 22:08

Woooooaaaaahhhhhhh! I think this has to be literally the most batshit thing I have read on the Internet. I'm pretty sure MNHQ would have grounds for sueing Pink News on this one - calling for his crucifixion? I actually laughed when I read this article, but it's not fucking funny actually and now I feel really angry. How dare they write and publish this? It's totally untrue, it's just bizarre. And the language and turn of phrase used, it reads like a year 8 creative writing piece in parts. The desperation is really ramping up.

I have said this before - I have never been in an abusive relationship, I have never seen someone twist things, deny, deflect, gaslight and outright fucking lie at times. I sort of imagined what it would be like, how strange it would be to go through. And now I see it with the TRAs, it's just so strange to watch.

ShinyFootball · 23/06/2020 22:10

Yes it's definitely middle aged lefty women who go around murdering people in bizarre ritualistic ways....!

NotBadConsidering · 23/06/2020 22:18

Pink News seem to follow the mantra that if you get something out there and let it spread it doesn’t matter that the veracity of the story can be checked within a few minutes because their loyal followers will lap it up. Pure propaganda.

titchy · 23/06/2020 22:22

Maybe someone quoted Life of Brian and they interpreted that as meaning they should be crucified? 🤷‍♀️

Datun · 23/06/2020 22:28

Absolute unhinged and deranged nonsense.

The most ridiculous part is that anyone can read this open and public forum.

Still, gone are the days when this kind of batshit tantrum has the desired effect.

Crucifixion ! 🙄

ShinyFootball · 23/06/2020 22:31

The thing I find weird is the readiness of so many people to believe that large amounts of extreme violence are carried out by middle aged women Confused

Enderthedragon · 23/06/2020 22:36

Across the more than 150 messages on the board, some suggested Samuel be “crucified”, some dug-up photographs from his personal social media account and others shared the barbed emails they sent to Field.

Right, firstly Josh, no one suggested that Samuel be 'crucified'. You have taken what someone said, which included the word 'crucified' meaning (dictionary definition) criticize (someone) severely and unrelentingly., and you have twisted it into something completely different.

Secondly, the photographs that were 'dug up' were not from his personal page, they were from the same page that he uses to advertise himself as a children's storyteller.

Thirdly, who cares if people shared the emails they sent?

But above all, as much as the bristling odyssey has plunged Samuel into paranoia, it’s the children he’s most concerned about.

“I can’t imagine being a child hearing about this Drag Queens Story Hour, being one of those kids, who is probably not within gender norms, to hear that it gets cancelled because there are haters out there, that would make the world seem so scary,” he said.

“I’ve got some kids with my face on a poster in their bedroom because I am that person that makes them feel safe and know that I am actually able to be that role model.

“To imagine that there’s going to be a kid in Leeds who was excited because there could be some sort of potential new role model to them. Somebody that they can actually relate to, to be told that they think they’re not allowed because it’s…” Samuel added, sighing wearily, his voice tinted by the exhaustion of the past 24 hours.

Oh yes, the children. Look mate, I have worked with young children for a long time now. This story time was for ages 2 and up. Kids aren't into drag queens, they just aren't. 2,3,4,5 year olds who would be doing a library story time would not have posters on their walls of a drag queen - they don't have the mental capacity to link it altogether at that age. Kids that age, particularly children with autism, wear dresses, make up etc and don't have a clue that it means anything. They don't need drag queens to validate their dressing up, because at that stage they don't understand that there is anything 'wrong' with dressing up. They don't give a shit if the person reading the story is dressed up as a grotesque caricature of a woman or as Peppa Pig, they want to listen to the story.

And then this:

In the daytime, Sab Samuel rallies to raise money for trans charities. At night, he has nightmares of being murdered by Mumsnet users.

I mean... really. It literally reads like satire.

ShinyFootball · 23/06/2020 22:40

This person sees themselves as a role model?

That's some ego.

SerenityNowwwww · 23/06/2020 22:41

Was that a drag queen or a drama queen?

titchy · 23/06/2020 22:47

I’ve got some kids with my face on a poster in their bedroom

Such a decorating dilemma for little Tarquin's new room - Drag Queen Burlesque or Mama's and Papa's Lilibelle.

PumbaasCucumbas · 23/06/2020 23:06

It sounds like this person is very used to being told everything they do is wonderful.

unfortunately - publicise yourself online, post photos to SM, people will see them and not everyone will agree (or might actually have safeguarding concerns which are bigger than your ego).

It’s easy enough to put right, explain that you have safeguarding training and crb certificate, clean up your FB page and maybe apologise for the poor-taste name?

.....Or throw a tantrum?

It must be hard times for adult entertainers doing lockdown though, so you can’t completely blame Aida for protecting her goose with the golden eggs.

ShinyFootball · 23/06/2020 23:19

Something I don't get.

Drag etc was always a gay scene subversive thing.

If it's normalised isn't that half the fun gone?

Just wondering really, just occurred to me.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 23/06/2020 23:27

There is a poster who talks about achieving and how to do it correctly,maybe moles?
There should be a continuously bumped thread on how to archive where to archive and advice not click on PN.

SunsetBeetch · 23/06/2020 23:41

Archived here:

archive.vn/1DoDU