Would you vote Conservative at the next election?

[cheeseismydownfall]

Obviously this question isn't really relevant if you vote Conservative anyway!

Over my 25-odd year voting history I have voted Lib Dem, Labour and Green. I consider myself left wing and would never have considered a Tory vote. But if the principle parties maintain their current positions on women's rights then for the first time ever I will consider a Conservative vote at the next election - not simply because this one issue trumps everything else (although I personally feel very strongly about it, education, health and the environment are still hugely important to me) but because I simply don't trust the critical thinking skills of any party who have allowed themselves to be so thoroughly hijacked by the trans rights agenda and attempt to silence dissenting voices.

Anyone else feel this way?

I'm a floating voter - voted for all of the main parties during different general elections. Yours is an interesting question OP. If all of the other parties are intent of demolishing women's rights in favour for the trans-community and the Conservatives are the only party who won't/don't amend women's rights as they currently stand, as a woman I would find it difficult to consider voting for the other parties.

I note a lot of PPs comment about the governments handling of the pandemic and how the other parties may have dealt with it differently. In all honesty, we don't know how the other parties would have dealt with it, or if a different tactic would have been more effective or prevented more deaths. I am in agreement lockdown/strategies could have been approached differently, but I think whatever the government had done would have been criticised by someone regardless.

As I'm pregnant I for one have been thankful for the governments inclusion of pregnant women into the 'vulnerable' group as it made it very easy for me to work from home with no argument from my company, but I do think that a lot of people have lost sight of a difficult but important notion throughout all of this - nature was always going to win this one. Dealing with an unknown virus was never going to be a 'win' for us, the government, or humanity in general. Whereas different countries have had different rates of success in managing casualties, strategies and success rates have been largely down to luck, be it geographically, demographically, population density or otherwise.

As it stands I always read the different parties manifestos and then make up my mind at the time as to which party I think will be 1. The best for me and my family, and 2. The best for the country, and vote accordingly. I can only recommend that people do the same and do what feels right for them.

God no. They've done quite enough damage already!!

I take some heart from the fact that many grass roots supporters in the Lib Dems, Labour and even the Greens (especially older members who had probably not thought too deeply about the issue before now) will be reviewing their opinions of the party line, and examining any proposals at their respective conferences much more closely.

@VickyEadieofThigh

Labour pledged to strengthen and uphold the Exceptions in the Equality Act.

But Labour politicians believe "transwomen are women". They would, therefore, argue that transwomen have every right to be in women's spaces - and I think you know this.

This!!

No. But there isn't anyone else I'd vote for either. Total shower all round.

No. As a widowed mum i don't think I'd vote for a party with a leader who described the children of single mothers as "ill raised, ignorant and aggressive" when in his 30s. Plus all his racist comments "picanninies" etc. Plus brexit.

But it's better to vote for parties that compel abused women to get naked in front of males though? Cos we are right at the top of the dungheap aren't we?

No. Looking at this purely from a feminist angle, even if they were rock solid on women's sex based protections, which they are not, deliberately eroding the welfare state and support services disproportionately affects women. They have spent the last decade trying and will continue to try to transfer lots of functions previously provided at a societal level to women's unpaid labour. They would have to have a very significant change of approach for this not to be the case, to the extent that I don't see it as a realistic possibility.

So from the feminist angle, their stopping males in to female areas is less important than the welfare state? So I have to get my tits out for the good of the country, is that the case?

Good to know.

Britain's high death toll from Covid was not inevitable. Italy warned us, Germany and South Korea showed us how it could be contained. Lockdown was always supposed to be a temporary measure to get numbers under control and provide time to implement track and trace (which still isn't properly in place).

And I have voted Conservative once in the past but this shower of incompetent charlatans? No.

My thoughts exactly.

@Dances

So from the feminist angle, their stopping males in to female areas is less important than the welfare state? So I have to get my tits out for the good of the country, is that the case?

Good to know.

Nobody is so stupid that they could possibly interpret that argument as meaning you have to get your tits out. You must be pretending.

Looks like women's privacy isn't that important after all.

So women have to derobe in front of males because the Tories fucked up Covid?

Why are women always at the back of the queue? And pushed back by people who tell us it's for the good, even when we have to get our kit off, traumatised or not.

*So from the feminist angle, their stopping males in to female areas is less important than the welfare state? So I have to get my tits out for the good of the country, is that the case?

Good to know.*

Or my teenage daughter having to huddle in a corner trying to hide her body from a perve in a swim changing room (competitive swimmer). Nah. I won't let my daughter go through what I went through, the shame of having to expose myself in front of naked men. Willing to risk pretty much everything to protect my daughter.

Yes, thanks for that princess. The net sum of Labour getting in is that this will be introduced. Men identifying as women, walking about my gym changing room. Thanks for calling me stupid. I have been seriously abused and assaulted. I get pushed down in favour of other 'good causes'.

That's ok though as long as the righteous feel good about themselves

Dances

It's not only the left's attitude to women that has alienated me, it's the authoritarianism.
I grew up in the height of the Cold War so I always knew the tendency was there but, to my shame, l let it go because I wasn't on the sharp end of it. Well now I've had my comeuppance and it's hard to convey how disturbing I've found it. It has shaken me to the core and made me question everything I used to believe.

It's 4 years to next election, apart from those loyalists who'd vote a dustbin if it was standing for Labour or Tory, how would anyone know who'd they vote?

I'd be hesitant to vote Tory after 10 years of sheer incompetence and i'd struggle to vote Boris Johnson to be PM (good chance he'll be out before then).

Looking at this purely from a feminist angle, even if they were rock solid on women's sex based protections, which they are not, deliberately eroding the welfare state and support services disproportionately affects women. They have spent the last decade trying and will continue to try to transfer lots of functions previously provided at a societal level to women's unpaid labour
Agreed. If other people don't care about the welfare state being eroded then lucky you. You must be very privileged.

@Dances

Yes, thanks for that princess. The net sum of Labour getting in is that this will be introduced. Men identifying as women, walking about my gym changing room. Thanks for calling me stupid. I have been seriously abused and assaulted. I get pushed down in favour of other 'good causes'.

That's ok though as long as the righteous feel good about themselves

I am sorry to hear what has happened to you. I'm equally sorry for all the other women who have suffered because of what the Conservatives deliberately did in the name of austerity and who will continue to suffer when they do more. They aren't any more or less important than the women who have suffered due to the erosion of women's sex based protections. The unpalatable truth is that even if the Tories hadn't been the party who tried to sneak in Equality Act reform, there are attacks on women's rights from all sides.

And the fact is, not voting Conservative doesn't then mean you vote for a TWAW candidate either. There is no obligation to turn up, or to vote for one of the candidates on the paper if you do, and for all you know I might be planning to run myself.

@AlpineSnow

Looking at this purely from a feminist angle, even if they were rock solid on women's sex based protections, which they are not, deliberately eroding the welfare state and support services disproportionately affects women. They have spent the last decade trying and will continue to try to transfer lots of functions previously provided at a societal level to women's unpaid labour Agreed. If other people don't care about the welfare state being eroded then lucky you. You must be very privileged.

Or short sighted. Do people understand what austerity has done to women? Cuts to funding for refuges so thousands of women a year are turned away, two child limit an abuser's charter, taking a hatchet to legal aid for DV victims, women's incomes suffering more in real terms and women being disproportionately likely to have to miss meals to feed their children. People who dismiss this so easily really aren't anywhere near the moral high ground!

Priveledged to be traumatised about getting naked around males? Yes, I am really privileged .

How about we don't treat it as a game? How about The Good People (read: non Tories) consider women as part of the solution, and not as the left overs to be swept up at the end?

How about we don't treat it as a game? How about The Good People (read: non Tories) consider women as part of the solution, and not as the left overs to be swept up at the end?

Agreed. And that's going to require full acknowledgement of what austerity has done and what the Conservatives are going to continue to do to women every bit as much as it's going to require the same for what self ID has done and will do. It all needs putting out there.

Bollocks you are sorry
The unpalatable truth is that women always come at the back of the queue, often pushed there by other women. And we are supposed to be thankful and grateful for it.

No thanks

@PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock

No. Looking at this purely from a feminist angle, even if they were rock solid on women's sex based protections, which they are not, deliberately eroding the welfare state and support services disproportionately affects women. They have spent the last decade trying and will continue to try to transfer lots of functions previously provided at a societal level to women's unpaid labour. They would have to have a very significant change of approach for this not to be the case, to the extent that I don't see it as a realistic possibility.

So on this argument it’s better to keep or fight for more state welfare instead of stopping men from being around women whilst they undress. For sex offenders to be put in to women’s jails, for male nurses to preform smears, for men to ‘council’ female rape victims.

That’s not for me or my three daughters thanks.

There is no discussion with labour now. It’s a done deal. With Tory there is discussion and by the looks of this thread is drawing voters because of it.

Never have never will

Labour have lost me. I'm green