Newsnight Tonight - Tavistock Clinic concerns

[rogdmum]

On at 22:45

Tweet: twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/1273702696076410882?s=21

Says:

TONIGHT: #Newsnight has seen evidence that staff at England's only children’s NHS gender clinic say their concerns over the care provided were ‘shut down’.

Clinicians reported worries that some patients were referred onto a gender transitioning pathway too quickly.

22:45

Thank you all you fabulous women for connecting everything up with your research, articles and links.

Time and again you do this, and yet it seems it can't be done by those with power to put things right.

So many children's health and well being sacrificed, so many young and vulnerable people being preyed on during their time of greatest need, and a vanishing generation of young lesbians.

Madness, all of it.

Yes but they would have decided to rebuild off the back of the "training" received

The same training that tells them to let kids change where they like, to provide clothes for children with SEN who cant access their own. The same training that they paid to receive then instead of standing up to absolute bullshit compete with jelly babies and dimmer switches , decided to implement. Even when the guidance sets not to tell parents ( or anyone else)

The toilets are just one part of the entire shit show that schools went along with.

I always find the absolute last piece to fall is the idea that these kids really are "born in the wrong body".

"Born in the wrong body" is one of those ideas that falls apart as soon as it is subjected to any reasonable investigation but it is also the first way many of us were introduced to the idea of trans people as children in the 90s. I accepted it as a kid in the same way I accepted that father christmas was literally real. Most people, IME, just don't think about these things very often and certainly not in any depth - I certainly didn't for a long time because (frankly) it didn't affect my life in any way. FWR has been an absolute godsend to me, because I had to start thinking about them when I became responsible for deciding how to teach trans issues in my school.

If nothing else, JK Rowling's intervention has meant that I've had a lot more reasonable discussions around gender identity over the last two weeks than I had in the previous two years. Those who never really thought about it are now having to think about it. And that can only be a good thing.

The same training that tells them to let kids change where they like, to provide clothes for children with SEN who cant access their own. The same training that they paid to receive then instead of standing up to absolute bullshit compete with jelly babies and dimmer switches , decided to implement. Even when the guidance sets not to tell parents ( or anyone else)

The toilets are just one part of the entire shit show that schools went along with.

Its indictive of systemic Safeguarding failure that such training is approved by the State & that so many schools, youth services etc have not only failed to challenge it but implemented the 'guidance'.

I think Newsnight proves that Carmichael does not truly believe they hold a middle ground at gids. If you believe that you're doing the right thing then you don't hush it all up and keep going anyway, not when there is that doubt there.

I've also noticed the more this sort of stuff comes out, some public figures with no real skin in the game who were quick to label people like us as "transphobes" have gone deathly silent on the matter.

In my opinion Carmichael should be suspended pending investigation into what came out in last night's Newsnight report. Serious safeguarding concerns. Multiple accusations of homophobia. One of trans treatment for a child who was being sexually abuse (no referral re abuse).

Multiple red flags have been raised over several years now Who will keep these children safe?

In my opinion Carmichael should be suspended pending investigation into what came out in last night's Newsnight report.

I agree.

I've also noticed the more this sort of stuff comes out, some public figures with no real skin in the game who were quick to label people like us as "transphobes" have gone deathly silent on the matter

Yes I've noticed that too.

All that time telling us it would never happen etc I keep seeing a few tagged in ridiculous threads. Like the one where Jameela said shed take yaniv and white and the rest into her spaces. They steered well clear of that one...

Useful thread on the GIDS approach in their own words for those on Twitter:

twitter.com/mum3sun/status/1273975912405651461?s=21

What will happen to those parents that have affirmed their child when the trans train comes off the rails? When Mermaids is seen as the new Kids Company.

It's going to be tough for those parents, though god knows, they should have exercised a bit of common sense in the first place.

People often make the comparison between Mermaids and Kids Company, but Mermaids is much, much worse. Basically what Kids Company did was piss away public money and espouse some fairly dodgy ideas, but what Mermaids is doing is child abuse. It is permanently destroying children's lives by encouraging them to mutilate their bodies and become infertile. It just absolutely amazes me that there are still people going along with this. My fervent hope, more than anything, is that one day all those people who condoned Mermaids, tacitly or otherwise, are held to account.

Disturbing reading on this thread but my thanks to all those posters who have pulled together the evidence.

I feel sick when I think of the torment and pain meted out to children who thought adults would help them. This is a scandal that is going to gather momentum.
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In a few years time there will be plenty of people lying about how the agreed with and supported JK Rowling.

Shame the internet’s going to prove they didn’t.

SarahTancredi, I'm not trying to absolve schools of any blame - ultimately, safeguarding children is the responsibility of all adults in a school. I'm just pointing out that there is a whole industry responsible for making sure the law regarding building design is implemented correctly. And they need to take a long hard look at themselves as well.

I also don't think safeguarding culture in most schools is nearly so robust as we would like to think. Teachers are generally encouraged to just pass up any concerns and because we often aren't allowed to know outcomes or what the DSL does with the info there is very little accountability. In fact, in my school we were recently told we had to delete any safeguarding referrals sent via email due to GDPR. Which means I have no personal record of the info I've passed on and if (god forbid) something bad happened because our DSL didn't act on that info it'd be easy for the DSL to pretend they never got it.

A bit worrying that so much seems to be resting on Sunk Costs Fallacy.

time.com/5347133/sunk-cost-fallacy-decisions/

I was thinking about creating a website that lists (with quotes) all the public figures who have supported Mermaids/Tavistock. Just to put the pressure on those people and say "really? Do you really support this? Because we will not forget and you will be held to account".

I'm a bit worried about lawsuits though - does anyone have any idea about whether you could get sued for this?

My idea would be to just take a photo, the name, the title (e.g. Emma Watson, Actress) and a quote where they've supported Mermaids or retweeted them or whatever.

“Maybe we are medicating gay children, kids with autism and maybe medicating traumatised children. And if we are, we are doing bad things to these vulnerable kids.”

How's that for a Tshirt slogan, you absolutely unethical mercenaries.

Post directed at no one particular person. General anger at the inhumanity of this and how little anyone in positions of responisiblity seems to care about the poor kids being used to serve some nonsensical ideology. Can't say more, trying not to swear.

I have first hand experience of GIDS at Tavistock. My son is wanting to transition and we had about a years worth of 6 weekly meetings there.
In my experience one of our therapists (there are 2 present in a meeting) was absolutely fabulous, questioning everything and really trying to understand.
Unfortunately he left, only about a year after he started (we were one of his first and then one of his last appointments) I don’t know if this very approach was what made him leave, but I feel he was a big loss to the organisation.

I think there were a lot of resignations all at one time, rise. Hope you and your son get the support you need, it's reprehensible that it's not there for children who need it.

I think my mum wants the hormones more than I do

How can any medical professional hear that & then still go on to prescribe to a child?

People often make the comparison between Mermaids and Kids Company, but Mermaids is much, much worse. Basically what Kids Company did was piss away public money and espouse some fairly dodgy ideas, but what Mermaids is doing is child abuse.

Agree with this too.

What will happen to those parents that have affirmed their child when the trans train comes off the rails? When Mermaids is seen as the new Kids Company.

I don't blame all of the parents involved. I've seen on here just how difficult it can be for parents, particularly of teenagers, when their children get wrapped up in the ideology. There are also some parents who I think just completely trust what they've been told and really believe they're doing the right thing. The high levels of homophobia in families that has now been reported cannot be overlooked, but I blame the people with the authority and the power to medicate these children much more.

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Safeguarding policies of schools are available on the website for anyone to look at. One such rule on the policy is never promise to keep any thing a secret.

So it immediately should flag up to a teacher when someone who isnt even in education comes and tells others who have been on safeguarding training that it's ok to keep parents and staff out the loop.

Schools also have a choice as to who they link to on their web sites fir support. Surely someone is responsible for doing checks on agencies they intend to link to?

Also, there have been plenty of threads about teachers who have refused to change a kids nappy/clothing due to safeguarding concerns or refused access to toilets citing safeguarding concerns if unsupervised children. Yet then dont make the link between putting a girl at risk using the.boys toilets or playing sports with the boys,or putting multiple girls at risk by allowing boys to use their loos or play sports with the girls. And deliberately keeping secrets

That's absolute basics surely that all teachers are aware of the absolute basics . I've agreed there are multiple age cues whi need checking out and I said in an earlier post that's why the review worries me so much because it's just everyone who's been lying or ignoring and/or complicit in the abuse if children.

But schools have played a big part. Letting these people in the school in the first place was the biggest mis step

@Lordamighty

I think my mum wants the hormones more than I do

How can any medical professional hear that & then still go on to prescribe to a child?

I struggle with that one. It is so fucked up.

rise I hope your son is doing well and is getting the right support. Good to hear he had a good therapist. As a parent what did you think of the report?

Twoquotes if the website was the person pictured along with quotes that are available in the public domain, I can't see how it would be illegal to do this. As long as you're not putting any words in their mouth or making assertions. The celeb gossip sites do a lot worse than that and seem to get away with it. I'm not an expert though.