Superdrug person who menstruate

[Womanwhobleeds]

Never posted on this board before, but nervous, but I’m furious.
Just bought some towels from Superdrug and the first line on the back of the packet is ‘A person who menstruates..’ I’m a woman ffs!
I shop in Superdrug all the time for their cruelty free stuff but no more!

You can bet your bottom dollar that if Superdrug manufactured condoms they would not be marketed at "people who ejaculate"...

@FlamingoAndJohn

It would be amazing, but I think you're right that there's probably isn't the money in it. It's more cost effective to lump us in together under 'menstruators' than go out of their way to adapt.

And I know you would!! As much as the TRAs want to shout T*rf at mumsnet, you're reasonable people.

(But that would mean that they'd actually have to stop, listen and think for a second and that's not happening any time soon :/)

I would stop buying their product. Hit them where it hurts.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if Superdrug manufactured condoms they would not be marketed at "people who ejaculate"...

Exactly.

@LemonadeAndDaisyChains
Why would trans women being on the board make your job go nowhere?
Isn't it as the law stands that they're women? So would be treated as women, why would that affect biological women's job prospects?
We'd all still be treated as women, surely

You are teetering on the edge of understanding part of what the problem is here. You just need to go one tiny step further.

your circular arguments suggest otherwise

Why?
I am in complete agreement, never once have I said differently.
That trans men are biologically women.
There seems to be a difference though, that I can accept them as men (not biologically before anyone starts)
Anyway, the fact (for me, not speaking for anyone else) doesn't change that my womanhood isn't threatened by wording on a sanitary packet.

I see Hooves had a name change.

You are teetering on the edge of understanding part of what the problem is here. You just need to go one tiny step further

If you mean because trans women are treated as women too, that means I suddenly wouldn't be, nope I get that you may think like that but we can think differently.

Imagine:

Gillette! The best a person who needs to shave can get...

(Arguably more apt anyway, I use Gillette)

I think the women here wold support that wording too, @E091. I know I would.

And me. And that’s what I suggested 2 years ago to Cancer Research when they tried to rebrand all of us as ‘cervix havers’.

There are lots of women in the U.K. with SEN and tons who speak English as a second language. Experts have said for years that plain language is a key tool in public health messaging.

My mum was profoundly dyslexic but like most working class women born in 1950 she was destined for a factory job age 14 so no one really cared. I don’t think she would’ve known that ‘people with a cervix’ included her, and I can’t ask her because she died of a different gynaecological cancer age just 54.

So yes, we can find ways to include transmen and female NB people, but we cannot risk excluding vulnerable women in the process

Its not very catchy dry

And what dududu just said

I have a difficulty in understanding what is meant by

Saying you know someone is a woman but can accept them as a man

How do you accept someone as a man? Why are you accepting people as man differently from how you accept women?

Like there are times when it matters what sex someone is, like that transman having a heart attack, it's bloody useful to remember their sex , but the rest of the time, why are you treating men and women differently ?

Here are three seats we set aside because women are not adequately represented at the table.

Oh, yes, if you are a male person, who identifies as a woman, you may take one of those seats. Actually, take two! The other kind of woman generally has child care issues making the meeting anyway.

What? Our table now has two extra males at it? When we were meant to be opening up the table to women?

It's a question of fucking resources, not 'being nice'. When women and girls have overcome thousands upon thousands of years of being chattel - we've only been considered as the equivalent of men for an historic blink of an eye - then I might think about yielding some of those resources to males.

Actually, scratch that. Once women and girls actually have political, social, economic parity with men the world over, I'm gonna suggest we hang on to that shit.

Transwomen are males. They are not entitled to steal our limited resources and provisions, set aside for WOMEN, under the guise of a 'gender identity'.

You go off, Lemonade and work towards that vision of genuine global justice for women and girls. Then get back to me about 'it doesn't take anything away from you!' Handy hint: achieving those goals will take more life years than you or I have left put together, so I guess don't come back and tell me crap about 'not taking anything'.

That trans men are biologically women.
There seems to be a difference though, that I can accept them as men (not biologically before anyone starts)

The Oxford English dictionary defines 'man' as 'adult human male'.

Presumably you think that definition is wrong and should be changed?

@yakadd

Best laugh of the night , thanks

I see Hooves had a name change

Post upthread at top of page I mistakenly addressed OP. Sorry OP! I didn't mean to do that, had a moment of posting confusion.

There seems to be a difference though, that I can accept them as men (not biologically before anyone starts)

But what other way of 'accepting them as men' is there? The definition of 'man' is 'adult human male'? There is no other way of being a man than being male. Any other definition of 'man' is just based on bullshit stereotypes of what men are or should be.

Would this sign I saw at my local X-ray NHS department be something that's excluding the use of the word woman? I was there yesterday having an X-ray, and at this gave me the rage. Even though I've had a hysterectomy, and not in child bearing capacity, any longer, I am still a woman.

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Now I work with engineers...

“In geotechnical engineering, bearing capacity is the capacity of soil to support the loads applied to the ground. The bearing capacity of soil is the maximum average contact pressure between the foundation and the soil which should not produce shear failure in the soil.”

But what other way of 'accepting them as men' is there? The definition of 'man' is 'adult human male'? There is no other way of being a man than being male

Maybe I just don't think as black and white.
I appreciate a man is adult human male.
I also know there's more to be being a woman as my biology, so maybe that's why I can accept but others can't?

'Accept as men'

Show a woman the deference that normally I reserve for the male of the species.

I also know there's more to be being a woman as my biology

Can you be specific?

Precisely what, other than your female biology, makes you a woman?

And precisely what makes you 'accept' someone who shares that female biology as a 'man'?