Be an ally to lesbians: stop using LGBTQ+

[Shedbuilder]

I'm a lesbian and I mentally parted company with Stonewall and began opposing it and a lot of other LGB organisations when they added the T and then the Q and then all the other identity letters to the original LGB.

LGB people are united by same-sex attraction. TQ and whatever are linked by their insistence on identity — defining themselves by feelings or whatever. LGB people are united by their experience of homophobia. Transgenderism, and its attack on sex, is inherently homophobic. The two cannot and could never exist comfortably together. As soon as Stonewall added the T to their constituency, it began working against its core community.

Stonewall and other organisations have done this by force. Uncoupling the LGB from the TQ+ is one of the most important things anyone with a GC stance can do.

Please, let us work towards making the letters LGBTQ+ a badge of ignorance and shame, not something that employers should be plastering everywhere as proof of how progressive they are.

I would like anyone who denies trans activism is a problem for young same sex attracted women in 2020 to sit down and watch a few videos by detransitioners/reidentified women.

One of the speakers at the MCR detransitioners event even said she didn’t think she could actually be a lesbian, because she knew she wasn’t attracted to transwomen!

www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/stories-51806011

More detransitioned women appear on YouTube all the time. Vast majority are either lesbian or bisexual.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZnSasO18M

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lTQngMEDocw

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSxJduqZxcg

[quote DuDuDuLangaLangaBingBong]More detransitioned women appear on YouTube all the time. Vast majority are either lesbian or bisexual.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrZnSasO18M

m.youtube.com/watch?v=lTQngMEDocw

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSxJduqZxcg[/quote]
Do you think it might have helped these individuals to have felt welcomed into broader LGBT+ spaces to discuss their thoughts and feelings?

Do you think that hearing that some LGB people want to 'uncouple the T' would have made them, as young, male-identified people, not want to venture into these spaces where they could talked about alternatives to transitioning in the first place?

Do you think that, knowing that people want to drop the T from LGB, they might have felt pushed into T-only spaces which more readily encouraged their transitions without question?

Be an ally to lesbians!

Keep the T and let those who are uncertain of their identities explore their thoughts and feelings in broader spaces so they can consider if transitioning is really the right thing for them in the first place.

Oh Jesus...

RufustheRowlingReindeer

Are lesbians transphobic for not wanting to sleep with trans women? Of course not.

Are lesbians transphobic for not wanting trans women to breath the same air as them in LGBT+ spaces? Potentially.

Re comparing gay people to rapists, check Jaki's post at 15.28 - apparently 'my' LGBTQ alphabet is hiding criminals such as the serial rapist Reynhard Sinaga. No I have no idea how she worked that one out either.

So is that Tumblr thread all fake news Sappho? Or have you another explanation for it?

I'm sure plenty of trans women exist on the internet Fanta, your point is?

Do you think it might have helped these individuals to have felt welcomed into broader LGBT+ spaces to discuss their thoughts and feelings?

That’s the current status quo. It’s definitely not helping, no.

Do you think that hearing that some LGB people want to 'uncouple the T' would have made them, as young, male-identified people, not want to venture into these spaces where they could talked about alternatives to transitioning in the first place?

That’s currently the case due because many mainstream LGBT spaces are painting exclusively same sex attracted women (lesbians) as = hateful terf (see Canal Street as an example).

Do you think that, knowing that people want to drop the T from LGB, they might have felt pushed into T-only spaces which more readily encouraged their transitions without question?

No. I think that a visible alternative for exclusively same sex attracted GNC women will offer them more options, not less.
All the female detransitioners say they wish they had adult female GNC role models in their lives. That these role models are not readily available within the current LGBT ‘community’ is both a shame and a scandal (and something that I attribute to misogyny, which is absolutely bloody everywhere, including among the LGBT)

Of course, you’ll need to get the T to stop the smear campaign against LGB organisations for that alternative to seem viable to today’s same sex attracted youth.

You should try actually watching some of these videos yourself, rather than just asking straight women about the contents.

So has Diva published articles on the alternatives to binders and testosterone? If you think the best strategy is for trans inclusive media to be balanced about this are they already doing this, can you show us where?

Organisations like LGB Alliance are going to be very good for younger gay people, as the people joining are self assured in their sexuality, and are not going to pressure them to turn away from their homosexuality.

Positive role models who will understand boundaries and safeguarding.

It’s interesting how the number of U.K. children being referred to GIDS happened right around the time Stonewall U.K. added the T to the LGB (2014/15).

www.stonewall.org.uk/system/files/trans_people_and_stonewall.pdf

Perhaps just a coincidence, but if I worked at Stonewall or GIDS I would want to see that coincidence investigated.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51806962

Extract from the above link:

Homophobia in families attending GIDS is mentioned in all the transcripts Newsnight has seen.
As well as seeing young people struggling with their sexuality, staff say some parents appeared to prefer their children to be transgender and straight, rather than gay.
In one example, a GIDS clinician describes a young person who had come out as a lesbian and faced homophobic bullying, "within the family and quite openly in school".
"Suddenly the young person changed their mind and they started identifying as trans."

I thought the comments on this article were quite surprising and interesting.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/22/this-year-we-need-prides-spirit-of-solidarity-and-inclusion-more-than-ever

Most rec'd: 'It is becoming abundantly clear that there is no 'LGBT+ community'. Trans Rights Activists will climb over all and sundry to get what they want.'

Already there op
Don't understand the link with sexuality and identity confusion.

Are lesbians transphobic for not wanting trans women to breath the same air as them in LGBT+ spaces? Potentially.

I don't think many people care about the now totally nonsensical accusation of transphobia. I certainly don't. It's become a parody.

Female only space is a reasonable thing to want and even need.

@SapphosRock

Bi women would be directly affected by LGB splitting from T, straight women are not.

Any straight woman who claims trans people are infringing on lesbian spaces but have ever set foot in a gay bar are massive hypocrites.

That is a rather bizarre position. I do not think the employment laws allow you to ask a person's sexual orientation as a condition of employment, on the basis of hypocrisy avoidance for straight persons. Nor do they post signage "gay bar, straights beware of hypocrisy".

Linda Grant is of course a practioner of the not so fine art of "it never happens". She appeared on Woman's Hour right after someone describing something that happened, denying that it had happened.

Diva editorial policy is "it never happens" and we have posters here immersed in the "it never happens" school of identity whitewash.

It's very kind of you to embark on an inclusive re-education programme here, but we've already had the education programme from trans activists. They are not going to be pulling back on the die terf scum anytime soon so it's probably a good idea to recognise that the people you are addressing here can hear them as well as you.

@suggestionsplease1

Another point is, by trying to exclude people who are trans there is actually a fair amount of shooting selves in feet that is going on.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there is a lot of concern that trans teens are electing to undergo surgeries that they might later come to regret. Who do you think it is that can give them a broader context to their experiences? Who can empathise with their feelings and gently nudge them to consider other alternatives?

When these young trans people are welcomed into broader groups that include lesbians they can talk in more detail about their feelings and worries and listen to how older people have navigated perhaps similar difficulties without having surgery.

I don't know if gender reassignment clinics go into details of strap ons, best type to achieve orgasm by wearer etc, the benefits of being able to swap in hundreds of different types as partners will all have different preferences and different desires at different times. We are the ones that can have those real conversations and perhaps be instrumental in a trans person's journey and consideration of surgery.

By polarising the identities, by excluding the T, or by making trans people feel unwelcome in spaces you are making those conversations less likely to happen.

Women are not your service humans.

Are lesbians transphobic for not wanting to sleep with trans women? Of course not

Are lesbians transphobic for not wanting trans women to breath the same air as them in LGBT+ spaces? Potentially

I didn’t ask those questions but thank you for your answer

I just wanted to know if a good ally would call a lesbian transphobic ...but anyhoo I’m being (probably unnecessarily) pedantic

Am I spelling ‘ally’ right? Cos the more i type it the less it looks right

[quote BarbieandKenBruce]@JackiFazaki Thank you. I suppose other groups have never asked me to wear one and that's the difference.[/quote]
When I worked in the NHS, we weren’t permitted to wear ANY emblems that even hinted towards a political viewpoint or charity preference. That even included a shamrock for St Patrick’s day. Yet the rainbow was permitted. Lanyards, key chains, etc. At the time I was more than happy to show my support and we had a large percentage of lesbians working on our wards, more than most, probably because they felt as part of the team. In retrospect, it shouldn’t have been permitted, as no other charity, organisation or belief was.

I does look odd doesn't it?

Ally.
Alley.
Allies.

I don't know how things have sorted out in the UK but in the US the Lesbian bar, bookstore, and restaurant, has been almost entirely disappeared by inclusivity advocacy.
"Women of Ideas, and what men have done to them." a book by Dale Spender

a lot of concern that trans teens are electing to undergo surgeries that they might later come to regret. Who do you think it is that can give them a broader context to their experiences? Who can empathise with their feelings and gently nudge them to consider other alternatives?

That should be a mandatory prelude to any surgery. By the physicians themselves, not any random bleeding heart passer by.
I believe it is for non trans surgery, but I could be wrong.

A sad and angry twitter thread about the queering of the three gay men killed in a homophobic attack in Reading: twitter.com/matthewgreenf11/status/1275066675730116608?s=21

The rainbow is no longer solely symbolic of support; it's been politicised.

The number of disingenuous/ obtuse posts on this thread is quite something but it's doing a very good job of proving the OP's point. There doesn't appear to be consensus or sense of community keeping the LGB attached to the T+, judging by this thread there is only manipulation and coercion.

I can see no reason not to be precise when referring homosexuality or gender identity.

Allies looks ok...at the moment

Ally doesn’t look right

LillianBland Very few LGBTQ people see their sexuality or gender identity as a political movement. They just want to be treated with dignity and respect and to be visible.

Female only space is a reasonable thing to want and even need.

Of course when it comes to competitive sport or women's refuges. If we're talking about public spaces such as LGBT bars or community groups then it is pretty unreasonable to demand they are female only.