Threats from transactivists in Ireland.

[irishfeminist]

Just getting it out there that transactivists in Ireland have been making threats to any woman who has wanted to discuss the effect self-id is having on women's rights in Ireland. If anyone Irish is reading, you need to be aware. If you support these people, you need to know what you're supporting, and if not, you need to be aware of the threats that are being made. One of these people works for TENI and has spoken at a National Council for Women in Ireland conference.

Fair play Tiggers.

Lovely to see people meet-up here.

This was sent to an Irish woman on twitter.

@EstelleBirdy sending solidarity x

@CumannNamBan that's nice.

That's frightening - that poor girl.

I know! And she's only 19 as well.

@CumannNamBan

This was sent to an Irish woman on twitter.

This is unbelievable. It's a terribly frightening threat to this young woman. I hope all the woke intelligentsia in Ireland, who are sharing their latest hashtag #reawakenthefeminists along with their #TerfsOut hashtags and criticism of JK Rowling and anyone who supports her, are proud of themselves when they see the kind of people who use this Terfs Out terminlogy. @CumanNamBan, do we know that this young woman is safe? I mean, we must understand that when some whose name is Terfs Out talks about smashing someone's head in, they probably mean it metaphorically and even if they don't, it's justified if a transwoman thousands of miles away was murdered. And tis young woman, presumably in Ireland, should just get over herself if she feels scared by this, given that we've had a man sentenced for stomping on his pregnant girlfriend's head 17 times leaving her permamently unable to feed herself, a family sentenced for their cover up and dismemberment of a woman by her son in law, the samurai sword murder of another woman and the guilty verdict in the case of a man who systematically raped all of his daughters over many years. Yeah, metaphor's great. Tell this girl to just chill out. Nothing to see here.

Hi, late to the game here but just been lurking over the last few weeks and have had my eyes opened and am particularly interested in the Irish perspective. The JKR pile-on got me started and I've been digging and reading ever since. There is a wealth of information from this board, its amazing. I'm in Ireland and feel that self id was introduced here without letting anyone know. There is no talk about it in media and I would guess that most of my female friends would not agree that we want women and girls sharing single sex spaces if they realised that 80% (if that's an accurate figure?) of trans women haven't physically transitioned. I'd guess the majority of the general public doesn't know about this here. In addition, there doesn't seem to be sex based protection in our equality act, am I right? It's all gender. What's that all about? I got that from ihrec.ie and also citizens information. What can we do in this country? Should we write to TD's (which ones?). I also checked the national women's council website which state "by‘woman’ we refer to any person who identifies as a woman". I presume they have to because of the self id law. Is there any point writing to NWCI to share my concerns, or to a TD (if so, which one?), or is it too late and protection based on sex is gone. I'd love to hear from any Irish people who have been here longer than me to get your thoughts on it. Even in real life there is rarely any discussion on this although I will be trying!

I am so very sad for the women of Ireland. All under the radar. I hope somehow your voices can be heard because there will be an awful lot more of you than you think

Hi bird the figures I've seen are between 80-90% - one was more specific at 88%.

Surgery isn't a requirement for a GRC so it hasn't been necessary to change the sex marker on birth certificates etc.

I hear groups are mobilising one Ireland. Can someone start writing pieces for blog sites and get the word out of the Irish media wont cover this?

The Irish media are terrified to touch this. They wouldn't go near the Limerick prison story. Trans rights have been explicitly linked to gay rights, with self-ID being slipped in no-discussion-style on the back of same-sex marriage coming in. The only people speaking up are the headcases like the Iona Institute - and who wants to be 'on side' with them?

Most Irish people who are aware that self-ID exists feel like it's not going to affect them - like same-sex marriage or abortion, it's none of their business what other people are up to. It's been deliberately pitched that way, and if you think otherwise you're a terrible bigot. Sometimes people assume they've missed the discussion that was had about it - when in fact there wasn't one at all.

Did anyone clock this from Women in Technology and Stem (Ireland)?

Invisible Women. The irony.

Oh dear god that WITS statement.
I can only sigh in the way that I do at the nonsense my early teen children do, when they think they know everything about a subject.

The idea that "invisible Women" should centre "trans and non-binary"?
Someone is massively missing the point.

It is mind boggling.

80% (if that's an accurate figure?) of trans women haven't physically transitioned

For the UK there aren't any clear figures available. It's down to people to make their own estimates. The government says there are 300,000-500,000 trans people in the UK. Let's take the midpoint and say that half are transwomen. That's 200,000.

Over the past decade it would seem that there have been a few thousand gender reassignment surgeries, in the sense of the euphemistically named "bottom surgery", carried out in the UK or for UK people abroad. This is a broad estimate based on various sources, the true number is especially unclear.

For the UK, is likely that 90+% transwomen have not have gender reassignment surgery. But then it wouldn't surprise me if 90+% of transwomen don't have gender dysphoria.

Thanks for the info everyone.

Lionheart, incredible that WITS put out that statement..... Its very depressing to think that so many organisations think like this. I wonder is this because self id is law so they have to behave like this publicly ?
Looks like the majority disagree with them on twitter though. It's good that this gets publicity. twitter.com/WITSIreland/status/1285980180784336896?s=19

The ratio on that twitter thread is gorgeous, though, bigbird

Late to this thread. I'm of an age where the troubles were the backdrop to my first 50 years feels like this fight is going to be the backdrop to the remainder of my life . I'm still shocked that tweeting on NI politics is the least controversial thing I could tweet about these days.

Estelle I hope you're doing ok and have stayed around

I don't know how we change this in Ireland. DUP won't be going along with this but Sinn Fein are and will be reluctant to accept that maybe the DUP got this one right. Sinn Fein got good support in the south last election so we do need to try and get across women's concerns to Mary Lou and Michelle O'Neil. It wouldn't hurt to reinforce women's concerns to Arlene Foster.

Does anyone know the Alliance & SDLP stance?

I don't live in NI anymore so no local politician to contact there.

@Misandrea

I came across this today, a letter telling UK feminists they weren't wanted at a public meeting in Dublin back in 2018! I don't know what happened in the end. This was off my radar completely until recently and I think that's the problem....people either have not heard of this womens rights issue (because mainstream media isn't reporting it) or if they do they keep their nose out - it doesn't affect them as notyourhandmaid said upthread.

feministire.com/2018/01/22/an-open-letter-to-the-organisers-of-the-we-need-to-talk-tour-from-a-group-of-feminists-in-ireland/

“Sarah-Anne Kennedy | January 24, 2018 at 11:52 am
Skepticat, you align all trans people with violent rapists and criminals. You goaded those people into attacking you at Speakers Corner. You went there with an agenda and you are only too delighted that they assaulted you.”

Christ.

My post references a reply on the letter linked above. Not one of the signatories called that commented on it.
feministire.com/2018/01/22/an-open-letter-to-the-organisers-of-the-we-need-to-talk-tour-from-a-group-of-feminists-in-ireland/

Men in dresses have always ruled Ireland. It was always dangerous to challenge them or their ideology, which was in turn, fiercely defended by women.

I am filled with utter rage at the WITS statement on Invisible Women and I am doubly frustrated that I am terrified to enter the discussion on Twitter because I would be afraid of losing my job.

It's unbelievable, isn't it?! Fuckers! So utterly self-absorbed - rather than seeking to elevate 51% of the population, they would rather drag everyone down because they "feel" (not "are"!) excluded. Fuckwits