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Threats from transactivists in Ireland.

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irishfeminist · 14/06/2020 09:37

Just getting it out there that transactivists in Ireland have been making threats to any woman who has wanted to discuss the effect self-id is having on women's rights in Ireland. If anyone Irish is reading, you need to be aware. If you support these people, you need to know what you're supporting, and if not, you need to be aware of the threats that are being made. One of these people works for TENI and has spoken at a National Council for Women in Ireland conference.

Threats from transactivists in Ireland.
Threats from transactivists in Ireland.
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Dances · 14/06/2020 12:34

Olde
The original thread is still there though. Odd

OldeMagick · 14/06/2020 14:15

I thought that was a bit weird too @Dances

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 14/06/2020 16:53

@battlecuntgalactica this is what you and your woke buddies were supporting when you posted that open letter here a couple of years back.

When someone with a dick threatens to use violence, they show that they are a man. Open your eyes, see this.

purplepizzabunny · 14/06/2020 17:04

Social innovation fund ireland (a government organisation) gave a grant to teni recently and posted a message in the last few days condemning transphobia, and though they didnt mention jk directly it was clear what they meant. Wonder if they know that a teni staff member is posting this?

purplepizzabunny · 14/06/2020 17:20

Interesting. I did a google search to find the latest teni financial statements and the annual report, which usually would contsin them had a weaselly escuse from their finance director. I checked solocheck.ie and it says their last financial statements were to be fil

purplepizzabunny · 14/06/2020 17:22

Ed by 30 sept 19. Nine months late? Wtf.

SunsetBeetch · 14/06/2020 17:29

A bit of background on Morgan Page.

They were the person behind that Cotton Ceiling workshop, and ran a group for trans people which seemed to be lacking in safeguarding:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3458395-Looks-like-the-National-Lottery-and-Stonewall-have-picked-a-side-in-the-cotton-ceiling-debate

4thwavenow.com/2019/01/26/my-trans-youth-group-experience-with-morgan-page/

irishfeminist · 14/06/2020 17:37

Hi could you post the Morgan Page stuff on another thread as we're talking about the Irish situation and it's a bit of a derail? Thanks.

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EstelleBirdy · 14/06/2020 18:12

Hi, I think I am the writer referred to above. Last night someone alerted me to the existence of these two Tweets. One saying that the author would ‘hammer’ TERFs and ‘hammer’ those that had ties to said TERFs. The other saying that TERFs needed to be ‘smashed out of existence’. In a week that saw the National Women’s Council of Ireland hold a conference highlighting domestic and sexual abuse against women while remaining silent about the horrific abuse that a well known female writer was receiving and the final blow to that writer of her abusive ex-husband holding forth on the front page of national newspaper, these two Tweets, I felt, had to be shown to my friends and associates. They were already in the public domain as the two authors of the clearly violent and threatening Tweets had published them themselves. I shared the Tweets on Twitter and Facebook with a simple question asking whether people thought that this was ok and stating that I felt this was never ok. That was it. That was all I said. I find abuse and violence towards anyone abhorrent. I protest against violence or mistreatment of anyone, that includes trans people. I do not wish to erase or threaten the existence of trans people, in fact, I would be a natural ally of any group that faces prejudice or mistreatment based simply on how they present themselves in the world. I support women’s (and everyone’s) right to discuss, in a respectful manner, important issues that affect their bodies and their rights. The two Tweets in question are completely unambiguous. They are calling for violence against women. Last night I was told by several people that I was wrong to have shared these Tweets because they did not call for violence. In fact, that I had got it wrong. These were metaphorical calls for smashing people out of existence and hammering people. There is no metaphorical meaning to be gleaned here. Hammering means to either literally use a hammer, to beat someone or to be ‘hammered’ i.e. to be drunk. There is no different, gentle meaning for it. The other Tweet in which the author says that she wishes to make people ‘terrified’ and make ‘the rest of their lives a misery’ cannot have a different floaty meaning. I found these Tweets abhorrent and chilling and I still do. I would find them abhorrent and chilling if they had been sent by anyone and were referring, for instance, to trans people needing to be ‘hammered’ or ‘smashed out of existence’ and I would have shared them publicly in the same way.
Today, a woman here in Ireland has called on people to impersonate me and donate in my name to a GoFundMe account. I’d have no qualms about supporting a charity. I do have qualms about people impersonating me online and calling others to do so. My publisher has been tagged in posts where I’m being called a transphobe. I am a yoga teacher. My yoga page has been highlighted online. I have been linked to an horrific murder of a trans woman in the US. My name is being bandied about on Twitter and on Facebook, as a TERF and a transphobe. I am a writer, yoga teacher and mother of four. Politically, I’m strongly left-leaning. I believe firmly in free speech but with limits where real harm could come from that speech and certainly where violence and murder are threatened and incited.
My sharing of freely available Tweets has led to me having to leave Twitter and Facebook as I do indeed feel threatened by my denouncers. The authors of the two original violent Tweets have joined in the pile on. So, yes of course I am scared.
I have never threatened trans people in any way and I never would. I believe that trans people and all gender non-conforming people should be free to live as they wish within the law. I do not believe that trans people have the right to threaten the safety and lives of others, publicly and unambiguously on social media or anywhere else. I don’t believe that anyone has that right. While women and girls are only a few short years away from being institutionalised, locked away, for being pregnant, for being too sexually attractive, for having the right to an inheritance and for a multitude of other perceived sins; while women and girls have only recently been given the right to limited autonomy over their own bodies; while women and girls are still not believed when they say they’ve been raped or abused, with a huge attrition rate in rape cases before getting to court; while women and girls face FGM; while women are paid less for the same work; while women are murdered so regularly that often cases are shelved because ‘she probably committed suicide’, in Ireland, I won’t be being quiet about very public, very frightening violent threats against women. I have been driven off social media for the moment. I don’t know whether I will ever go back.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, if you’ve got this far. I hope you all have a peaceful week.

HH160bpm · 14/06/2020 18:17

Brace in the true meaning of the word. I am grateful for your efforts.

purplepizzabunny · 14/06/2020 18:37

Horrendous estelle. I am so sorry

MayFayner · 14/06/2020 18:39

@EstelleBirdy I’m really sorry to hear this has happened to you.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 14/06/2020 18:52

Estelle, I'm so sorry to hear this.

If it's any consolation, the reason they came after you so hard and so aggressively is precisely because you were reasonable. These are not kind people. As is clearly evident, they can't provide reasonable arguments so they revert to threats, bullying and terrorising of women.

Sending you strength and best wishes.

irishfeminist · 14/06/2020 18:53

Well said Estelle and thank you. The ugly misogyny, the blaming of women for the threats against them - it's plain as day what this is. We need everyone to see it.

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EarlofEggMcMuffin · 14/06/2020 19:12

@EstelleBirdy you are not alone. This is not OK.
To have a kind heart, does not mean that you must be a carpet to be walked on by everyone you meet. Mind yourself.

EarlofEggMcMuffin · 14/06/2020 19:15

Irish posters; not to derail, but I listened to RTE and Newstalk this morning.
Both programmes discussed BLM, the use of the "N" word in the Dail, Covid and schools, the US protests, statues being pulled down, more Covid.
I didn't hear a peep about JKR or anything related to trans issues.

Did anyone else hear anything?
Am I missing something ? Am I living in an echo chamber here?

Michelleoftheresistance · 14/06/2020 19:20

Estelle Flowers

I don't know when it became a female responsibility to conceal violent threatening misogyny or to protect the perpetrators of it, or when refusing to woman in this respect led to punishment so severe.

We live in truly batshit times, but outside of the Twitter bubble where this kind of warped thinking has become normalised people have to see this stuff. JK Rowling's taken a terrible hammering, I hope she is ok, but all around me I'm seeing and hearing 'Oh my God, do you see what they said? Do you see how they're treating that woman? Can you believe people talk like this about women?' It's making a huge difference.

I'm so sorry you're suffering over this.

Lordamighty · 14/06/2020 19:23

EstelleBirdy your experience is shocking but not unique. Anyone who speaks out against the transgender cult is subjected to the most vile aggression. Of course it’s to shut you up. This ideology brooks no criticism because it doesn’t stand up to any scrutiny.

OvaHere · 14/06/2020 19:30

Very sorry Estelle that's truly horrendous.

EstelleBirdy · 14/06/2020 19:39

Thanks for the support everyone. I really appreciate it. It's shocking and frightening when something like this happens you. I think a way of supporting me and other people who point out violent threats and incitement to violence is to share the original instigating material. That is what's being hidden now. What is happening to me is that my denouncers are calling me names, tagging my publisher, attacking my yoga pages and trying to destroy my career and my life, by announcing that I'm transphobic without any reference to those threatening violent Tweets. I want people to know that those Tweets exist, that I simply showed that they existed, that they were real and clear threats to the lives and safety of women and incitement to others to threaten the lives and safety of women and that no decent person should excuse this kind of threat, no matter what its provenance. There are screenshots at the start of this thread, I see. Please don't feel under pressure to share them publicly if you feel it is not safe for you to do so but do share the information that these threats are real and that what is happening to me today is real.

FancyPants20 · 14/06/2020 20:00

Sorry you're going through this Estelle. I'm Irish, although no longer in Ireland, but will share the tweets on FB with my Irish family and friends. Stay strong. Xx

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 14/06/2020 20:53

EstelleBirdy

That horrendous I'm so sorry you are going through this.Who do these people think they are?
I am in Ireland and have talked to a lot of friends about this and family, they all thought of a transexual who has been trying to live as a woman for years just getting on with things, they didn't know about what is happening now.
They didn't know about the blue haired s*k my lady dk, Fk T*fs trans activists.They all thought it was horrible when I told them.
They didn't know that Amnesty International are calling for gender recognition for under 16s. Some heard about the trans woman being housed in Limerick prison but apart from saying how wrong that is,didn't think much more about it.
I'm working class as are most of my friends,my friends aren't "woke", they wouldn't see the TRA side of twitter or SM.
I hope you have some in real life support to talk about what's happened.

Flowers
purplepizzabunny · 14/06/2020 21:27

I have had a look on twitter and jesus i am in shock. I have never seen anything like the barrage of hatred raining down on estelle . And chief protagonist is followed by the head of amnesty ireland who seems to think his job at the moment is to post pictures of his f***g dinner

EstelleBirdy · 14/06/2020 21:30

Sincerely, thanks for the support.

EstelleBirdy · 14/06/2020 21:33

Really? Is it very bad? This is horrible and it’s all because I pointed out the unacceptability of threatening violence. Please keep a record, if you can, of this stuff.