Sunday Times: PM to scrap plan to make gender change easier

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Just seen this on Twitter. Anyone got a sharetoken please?

@PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg

Kittens I think the Tories have long since read the room.

& I don't think many other party MPs actually give a shit about trans issues - they are just wokeparroting.

I think they'll let the Cons crack on & do a bit of hand wringing on twitter about how it all makes them terribly sad.

Everyone knows this particular dead cat stinks, & no one wants to touch it - whilst equally no one is particularly keen to be the one who has to dispose of it tidily.

Yeah, sounds right. Not going to quibble if it gets the result we need, but FFS.

@EmpressLangClegInChair

Labour, LibDems and Greens all stated explicitly that they didn’t want GC women to vote for them.

And so I didn't. Wonder how that worked out for them?

BuzzShitbagBobbly - I am saying face the reality. Which government even with a large majority is going to just ignore a vote of 70%.

Why would anybody think it was job done.

Yes, I say get a grip, because if you thought it was a tough fight before now it is going to be unremitting.

Not only will gender critical feminists be written off as out of date oldies but they will be accused of being anti democratic.

Really.

Start thinking of very good arguements to say why the consultation should be ignored.

How will the government prove the claim (also in the ITV article) "the results had been “skewed” by an “avalanche” of responses generated by trans rights groups". And presumably trans activists will reply well the 30% is just the result of women's rights groups.

Its a shame that at the time the arguement that the way the survey was constructed made it invalid, wasn't pushed harder.

Now they are stuck with this outcome.

The explicitly said that of the 70% the officials believe the results were skewed by trans activist organisations. My interpretation of that is the responses came from another country and not the UK.

I don't think anyone believes we can pack up and go home.

Its quite likely they released this to quieten things down after the latest JK pile on. Or maybe to test the water.

From America mostly would be my guess.

I have to say I'm kinda with stumble

Its meaningless unless they actually do something about every organisation that has illegally put policies in place based on self ID.

Its not a victory until its sorted out. Until then its words on a page whilst women fight the same old shit none of the powers that be will face up to.

I also just saw this on the BBC papers review. Good news but annoying that it comes from Boris's government as it supports the TRA's right wing bigots argument. And the push back will be huge. It feels never ending at the moment.

This is my feeling. I think the backlash will be violent.

The explicitly said that of the 70% the officials believe the results were skewed by trans activist organisations. My interpretation of that is the responses came from another country and not the UK.

It does rather depend on what evidence they have for this assertion. I seem to recall a previous campaign where women were outvoted because they responded once and provided extensive reasoning, while transactivist groups had advised their followers to go through as quickly as possible, responding only yes or no, and to complete the response as many times as possible. Not sure whether such skewing would be easy to detect or not. It depends on what data they managed to gather.

Re the 70% thing as we know there's a clear audit trail showing that stonewall, pink news et al produced auto generated submissions, and they are obviously easily counted. The government is clearly not going to asses a consultation response without assessing this kind of manipulation. I am glad to see some intelligent data analysis going on and clearly this has taken a long time to do.

Good news indeed. I am really going to enjoy watching the rage as the Tories won't give a toss.

But yes to a probable violent response. When was the last time they didn’t respond in exactly that manner.

And yes, we keep on going.
The vitriol directed at JKR has been very damaging. Maya Forstater's case, Fair Cop. Sunlight is being shone.

Why has this been 'leaked' now though. Why not wait until July.

The Baroness seems positive and that this reflects the replies she's been getting from her letters and questions. She also says there's still a lot of work to do.

mobile.twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol

Stumbled, Governments have to consult. But they don't have to abide by the results of a consultation as though it was a referendum. In fact I would imagine that they frequently ignore the outcomes of consultations.

And if they can show that many responses were from outside the UK it would undermine the figures further.

Truss et al don't want self ID. They have an 80 seat majority. The only thing that can realistically derail this is 41 Tories voting against the government. I think that unlikely.

The conversion therapy wasn't mentioned this time round, but keeping (making?) refuges, public toilets and prisons single sex spaces for women was.

I don't think the survey is important.

The general public is manifestly NOT on board with self ID, as shown in every newspaper's BTL comments.

It's Boris, ffs. He'd block his own grandma from access to the last jammy dodger in the packet, if he thought more people would vote for him.

The wokey beardy blue hairs wouldn't vote for him if the alternative actually WAS a jammy dodger. The women if MN just about might.

He's got nothing to lose from this - kicking an unpopular (especially with the Tory voting demographic) policy into the long grass is probably the most sensible thing he could say since winning the last election, or indeed ever.

There’s going to be a shit storm of tantrums tomorrow. I may keep off social media.

If this otherwise wretched Tory government is going to be in power for another 4 years we might as well make hay while the sun shines.

Next stop: repealing the GRA entirely.

I imagine they will have done their own polling too. No survey published has put support for self-id anywhere near 70%. It hasn't even been a majority at least outside those who would never vote Tory in a million years

@stumbledin

ITV is saying:

"According to The Sunday Times, around 100,000 responses to the public consultation were received – with around 70% in favour of allowing people to self-identify as a man or a woman."

Do you honestly think the Tories inthe middle of a pandemic and Brexit to be sorted is going to make this a priority - and in the face of the criticism they will get for over turning a 70% majority.

Just stop and think what that means.

Despite all the effort on any number of women's groups and mumsnet over 70% said yes to self ID.

ie that means only 30% of the response did not support this.

this is a disaster and indicates that despite all the effort to campaign on women's rights, 70% of people did not find the arguement for women's rights worth listening to!

If as the article says they will publish the results at the end of July expect and avalanche of most newspapers, all political parties let alone social media warriors dancing with glee that GC women lost the arguement.

The GRA consultation was not well known outside of interested groups.

All the TRA lobby groups pushed hard with automated replies even going as far as sending responses in on behalf of children.

Straw polling and comments of 'average people' are never in favour of self ID.

Quite a lot has happened since the consultation took place. Numerous court cases, judicial reviews, backtracking from the Tavistock and NHS, issues with sports and prisons.

That's without even mentioning some of the TRA well publicised own goals like Yaniv.

Even pink news' own poll was not what they hoped was it? Or am I remembering incorrectly?

For all of the Dominic Cummings haters here, now you know why he was recruiting data analysis nerds and saying oxbridge gender studies grads need not apply.
Hahahaha, this has made my weekend. I may have champagne for breakfast.

Those of us who've been following all this for a while have long predicted narc rage meltdowns as the sunlight hits and "no" begins to be said. Not to be alarmist, but for any women who're GC under their own names on social media I'd suggest watching your backs for the next few months, because I wouldn't be surprised to see this escalate to offline violence.

On social media it's going to be a mess. In one sense that's good, as tweeting the usual deranged threats at say Boris Johnson isn't going to have the impact intended.

Can Joss Prior please let us know how it's going down over there by the time I get the champagne open with my breakfast tomorrow? 9ish is fine.
Thanks.