Sunday Times: PM to scrap plan to make gender change easier

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Just seen this on Twitter. Anyone got a sharetoken please?

Very much so ThinEnd , lots of folk have been drawing this parallel for a while now with some justification.

Up here in Scotland we have been well and truly captured and the SNP, with some noticeable individual exceptions, are right there in the thick of it.

The 'training' that lobby groups such as Mermaids, Stonewall and LGBT Youth provide is not free! They charge a hefty price to schools & business for training to qualify for their 'Charter' or whatever other term they use. Compliance, more like.

Somewhere, there will be one huge compliance matrix with RAG status and associated financials for review, with next ''targets'. I wonder if they pay commission for the organisations signed up.....

It's all a racket. And success gets you a seat in the HOL

The Rebecca Root piece contains the statement that women are afraid of trans people in their spaces. I’d like to say that I’m afraid of men in women’s spaces. I’m not afraid of people because they are trans.

Personally I'm not even particularly afraid of men in women's spaces - but I know that's merely because I've been lucky throughout my life, and that this is a huge concern for many other women. Until and unless men as a class change (which is unlikely), sex-based rights and protections will remain essential.

And they get money from lottery, these telethons, donations, charity awards...

Oh this thread is great

All the women telling OJ to fuck the fuck off
mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1271801379493777411

Stonewall etc openly admitted that once gay marriage was achieved, they needed something new to fundraise for and give them purpose.

Why on earth they ever thought that homophobia was just done with, or couldn't spot that this was a new form of conversion therapy for many young people, I will never understand.

I used the word ‘afraid’ because she did, and after thinking again I would be afraid of a man who’d decided that he could ignore the rights of a woman in a space designated for women. It would suggest his boundaries were quite low.

I would qualify that by saying I’m not frightened of men, that would be a miserable existence.

Emails to PM, Liz Truss, Baroness N, My MP and KS all sent.

[quote Dances]Oh this thread is great

All the women telling OJ to fuck the fuck off
mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1271801379493777411[/quote]
'Tis a thing of beauty

It is

My view is that the push back is happening for all the wrong reasons - Tories need a win after their string of lockdown disasters, this acts as a convenient 'dead cat' and fits with their current tack towards a culture war - BUT you have to take the wins where you can. Won't make me vote Tory but I'm not going to tell them that. Agree completely with this from @HPFA:

A stance which is “compromises must be found” is one which will appeal to lots of people and may win more middle-ground votes than it loses from the extremes

Of course. Labour can't win fighting a culture war.

Some people here will choose not to vote Labour if he doesn't take a "firm stance" and that's their right of course. But he'll have made the calculation. It's "Call Keir" on at 9 am on LBC tomorrow and I expect we'll find a line very similar to Nick Thomas-Symonds. And it won't please everyone on here.

Starmer is doing well so far at understanding the need to capture the middle ground to win an election, and the usefulness of not getting in the way of the government owning their decisions. Don't step in and allow them to spread responsibility. They've got their 80 seat majority: one of the (very few) upsides of that is that whatever they do is on them. I am hopeful that we'll be in a better place a few years from now for Starmer to get a grip on the self ID issue and in the meantime it's on the government.

No Buttery we can't lose any more ground. This is my single issue, and I'm not being put to the back of the queue. Women are 51% of the population and we are not an afterthought

It might feel like a push back; but all we've done is hold the line and it feels like a win because thats how it works for women.

"It’s not a sensitive area!

Thugs and crackpots have been bullying and shoving women aside whilst their familiars have been cheering and throwing rocks. That’s when they haven’t been withdrawing from chats on mumsnet. "

Absolutely this.

And yes it can both be a genuine story and a distraction tool.

What's the reaction on Twitter?

I can no longer access Twitter as we have blocked it on our router because the hate and bullying towards women (and me when I spoke up) was really affecting my mental health. I thought about keeping Twitter for work only but unfortunately there is a very vocal authoritarian left group of people within my work area who tweet about this regularly (and regularly join in with the bullying of women), so it's impossible to ignore. So anyway, I can't look myself but I'm interested to hear how it's been received.

Ps. I fully support the plans to scrap the changes.

Makes it very difficult for Nicola Sturgeon. Finally some polls have been showing a small majority for independence, but her power base is among the wokescolds. She can't change course now.

Do you think this issue is enough to derail independence? I see people saying that on twitter but obviously twitter isn't always reflective of real life. I'm not Scottish so I don't really know one way or another.

I think it might just well start waving huge flags. Didn’t I also see something about free higher education looking unlikely to continue? The wheels are coming off that cart I think. Or maybe more like the wizard of oz when toto pulls back the curtain.

10,229 at 94%

The irony is that the politicians doing most to fight this are Baroness Nicholson and Joanna Cherry, LibDem and SNP.
Don't forget Lord Lucas led a debate.

Name change because this is totally outing. I've just had an email from my local Labour MP who has said she is 100% behind women-only spaces, backs WPUK and the announcement in the Times today.

But more than that. It's very clear from her email (I don't want to say too much for outing reasons) that she is actively reading these forums. Yes we can argue she should be going public with this, should have bought the Posie Parker t-shirt etc etc.

But this feels like a real win. And I know from her email (I'm being careful here) that her response to me was triggered by the discussion on this forum today. We are bloody doing this guys. We are the ones making this happen. Thank you to all of you.

Well done your MP. Part of me wants to say 4 damn years too late, but why spoil a good thing. We need some cross party consensus on women’s rights.

@TirisfalPumpkin you are right of course but, given that I am not brave enough to be publicly GC, I have some sympathy.

Hopefully, hopefully JKR has given more female MPs the confidence to start speaking up. I emailed her months ago and she's only just replied today with all this stuff. The timing can't be a coincidence.

Also - hello, I'm sure you're reading this!

That's great, Cant, but we've heard it all before, haven't we?
We know that these MPs exist, and we know that they are too scared to speak up.
Before the last GE we were told that Labour would protect women's single-sex spaces, except they couldn't agree on the definition of sex
And now the shadow cabinet is full of people who just six months ago signed various anti-women 'pledges'.
I hope your MP will write to her leader. If Starmer cares about women, he needs to start leading on this issue and not let it be painted as a left/right one.