Sunday Times: PM to scrap plan to make gender change easier

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Just seen this on Twitter. Anyone got a sharetoken please?

@SocialConnection I agree about asking for the Equality Act impact assessment and if they still refuse to play ball, a legal challenge might be possible. There are solicitors firms and barristers who've taken GC cases or come out as GC you could maybe contact. For example Maya Forstater's solicitors are Slater and Gordon. I don't know if they do this specific area but they may be able to refer if not.

I will be emailing
Boris Johnson
Baroness Nicholson
Liz Truss
My local MP (Lab)
Keir Starmer as I am in a Lab constituency

Anyone else?

I know TRA don’t want this, but I will be arguing that protections for trans people need to be alongside protections for women not instead of them. Trans people who need protection should have it but they can’t take my protection from me.

I do think that the fact that Carrie Symonds was a victim of John Warboys (she has stated this publicly) makes the concept of a predatory male more real for the Government.

Email going to my MP as well - he has supported me on this in his replies consistently.

I'm a left leaning voter but what has pushed me away from that & why I don't buy the Guardian anymore etc. is the nonsense that if you don't agree with me or have questions then you should be cancelled & it's perfectly fine to be the subject of taunts & threats but remember to "be kind".

Also the whole notion that your opinion or questions cannot possibly be valid because your dads uncles neighbour voted Tory or 10 years ago you worked for someone who didn't pay taxes or you worked for someone who did pay taxes but they are a millionaire & didn't agree with the journalists comment. It's reductive nonsense & completely shuts down debate as only echo chambers are allowed.

Before I start my letter to my MP, I am one of those women who has no gender (because it is woo) and would therefore qualify as 'transgender' under Stonewall law. Do I point this out as an aside to give my letter some rainbow credentials or do I stick to good old facts?

Best part of 8000 votes now, with 95% saying "no".

That is surely more or less what the existing GRA was. A compromise, though one which didn't fully recognise the needs of vulnerable women.

I think safety and fairness should be the focus of it all. Look at all the places where sex separation happens and say "what is the purpose of the separation?" "How would it affect that purpose to let male bodied people in?" "Is there a possible compromise?" "What are the possible dangers of puberty blockers?" Focus on the practicalities and take the heat out of the debate.

I disagree with self-ID and agree with the GC line mostly. But I also think there should be provision for people to live their lives effectively as if they were women (or men) where that doesn't conflict with women's rights. I see no intrinsic reason why compromises shoudn't be found.

But you don't need a gender recognition certificate to do that.

He may have to make his stance clear now, which may lose lots of votes.

A stance which is “compromises must be found” is one which will appeal to lots of people and may win more middle-ground votes than it loses from the extremes. By appeasing the extremes, labour lost votes in the northern heartlands - voters in working class areas weren’t happy. Part of that was brexit, but not all of it was. Your average white van man up here thinks that rapists belong far away from women’s prisons. And many, many working class women understand (on a personal level) how important women’s refuges are. Starmer is intelligent enough to know that he cannot win an election by pandering to extremists.

I do think that the fact that Carrie Symonds was a victim of John Warboys (she has stated this publicly) makes the concept of a predatory male more real for the Government.
I never knew this.

Re. The Guardian, as they undoubtedly have subscribers or supporters amongst the American left, I'm sure they will continue in some form or another for a long while yet.
Pink News I think now makes most of its money from Instagram?

But you don't need a gender recognition certificate to do that.

Maybe not but if it helps the lives of trans people and doesn't interfere with women's rights then what's the issue?

I reiterate that I am a single issue voter now and that this is my single issue.
My current (Tory) MP is a fence-sitter so I spoiled my ballot, however where I live they just weigh the Tory votes so it didn't have any impact.
But for those who claim this is the most important political battle for them, engage with your MP and vote accordingly.

A) hurrah!
B) oh fuck the SNP will work twice as hard to push this shit through here to show how much “woker” we are
C) this isn’t won until the GRA is repealed

Layla Moran has just posted the Times cover on her Facebook page with more or less the same twaw spiel as above.

First comment was a bloke calmly and respectfully saying he'd listened to women and had concerns about women's sport and prisons.

Instantly deleted and replaced with a link to the Lib Dem LGBTQ+ page. I almost want to laugh, but I really supported Layla right up to the 'seeing souls' moment

A stance which is “compromises must be found” is one which will appeal to lots of people and may win more middle-ground votes than it loses from the extremes

Of course. Labour can't win fighting a culture war.

Some people here will choose not to vote Labour if he doesn't take a "firm stance" and that's their right of course. But he'll have made the calculation. It's "Call Keir" on at 9 am on LBC tomorrow and I expect we'll find a line very similar to Nick Thomas-Symonds. And it won't please everyone on here.

Maybe not but if it helps the lives of trans people and doesn't interfere with women's rights then what's the issue?
In what way does it help?
Does it allow access to resources and spaces put aside for women? In that case it interferes with women's rights.
What exactly would I gain by changing my birth certificate? What would you gain? Perhaps you've always wanted to be a Pisces, why not change your date of birth? Can you see how that could become an issue?

The GRC was set up to allow same sex marriage for transsexuals. It is no longer needed.

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Thread from Malcolm Clark re: Pink News and lack of understanding of current legislation within TRA circles.

Lovely little one liner against the Good Doctor here; plus a brilliant joke thread (must be, right?) from LOJ where he claims to support women's rights....

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www.amazon.co.uk/charts/2020-06-07/mostread/fiction?ref=chrt_bk_dx_intra_rd_fc&tag=mumsnetforu03-21

HP numbers 1-6 on the weekly most read list as a PP mentioned.
Cancellation going well then? I suppose it could be all the twitter TRAs looking up the books to find quotes to use against Rowling since they burned their paper copies.

My kids are still reading the things on loop. DD was just telling me her plans to take a break then start again at Book 1 and read through the whole series. I think I may need to get a new set, they're falling apart with over-use.

We're reading the Ickabog story as it comes out to much excitement. And some interest at the thought control, neighbours tattling on neighbours for telling the truth etc. Am I reading too much into it or is there a little nod going on there?

For all of you who have MP’s that are not helpful on this issue - please do write to them. It takes away their defence that their constituents haven’t raised this issue / it’s not important to my constituents / all of my constituents think self id is fine etc.

You might this amusing

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I really supported Layla right up to the 'seeing souls' moment

She's my MP and it's a real shame - she's a great constituency MP and has real charisma, which you would need as the leader of a small party which has to fight to get attention.

But she's just becoming a bit too much of a loose cannon and hasn't shown good judgement in a couple of areas.

BuzzShitBag

Snap!

@NotAssigned

I disagree with self-ID and agree with the GC line mostly. But I also think there should be provision for people to live their lives effectively as if they were women (or men) where that doesn't conflict with women's rights. I see no intrinsic reason why compromises shoudn't be found.

But you don't need a gender recognition certificate to do that.

No, you don't. And we shouldn't ignore the fact that the GRA itself is an Act brought about by intolerance.

It came about because of intolerance of same-sex relationships - one of the reasons for the GRA was to avoid legalising same-sex marriage.

The other reason was to avoid someone being 'outed' as trans. This is only a problem if people are intolerant of people who present in a gender non-conforming way.

The answer is more tolerance (which we already have for same sex marriage), not divisive laws which disregard the safety and wellbeing of half the population.