Why are the trans community blaming women for the actions of men?

[ShirleyPhallus]

I’m reading everything I possibly can in light of JKR statement (which beautifully articulates everything I feel)

One thing I cannot see a clear answer to though is just why all the TRAs are just so angry at women. I have seen a serious of tweets linked on Facebook that talk about how dangerous JKR’s thinking is to the trans community as it makes “people” (I assume men?!) think that trans women are not real women.

Leaving aside the argument of whether they are or aren’t, does anyone know why TRAs aren’t more angry at the men who are actually doing the rape / murder / assault that also affects women and why they’re angry at women for standing up for themselves? This is more than just misogyny surely?

*Some women. I for example do not believe this wrt trans people. But it’s my personal view and you have the right to yours8

And so for the purposes of democracy and in everyone's best interests, why don't you campaign for third spaces...rather than trying to force your way in, while screaming hatred and violence and abuse. Can you not see the irony.

Do you also realise many BAME women would not be able to access many public spaces and services if males were permitted into them?

Because most of the ‘trans community’ as far as I can see, are very definitely male and very definitely acting to type.

So you’ve told me what I believe and why and now I have to engage in a more thoughtful way. This must be the feminist version of mansplaining. No thanks. Enjoy your weekends!

Because most of the ‘trans community’ as far as I can see, are very definitely male and very definitely acting to type

There are plenty of female allies though, I've encountered them outside of conferences and events. Most often young women who have yet to really encounter what it means to be female in the way that many of us have.

So you’ve told me what I believe and why and now I have to engage in a more thoughtful way. This must be the feminist version of mansplaining. No thanks. Enjoy your weekends*

Astonishing!

I've just explained how I view it...but you are not open to that...and typically have no response. Why don't you campaign for third spaces, if equality, democracy and dignity for all is your real goal?

Yes. Sadly they will learn with time. Especially if things continue as they have been. Very soon there will be no rights in law for them to point to, no safe spaces left for them to shelter in, and none of the people they ally themselves with will fight for them when the chips are down.

Women will never know quite how much men hate them.

@Burgundy1844 well it’s better than inadvertently screwing themselves over. If you haven’t experienced the full consequences of your sex how can you possibly understand why it is/isn’t important? Young childless (intending time remain that way for the foreseeable future) telling more experienced women they are right and everyone else should listen to them is the equivalent of a white person who has seen racism because they have a black partner/best friend/whatever that they understand racism better than a person of colour.

''Women have very little idea of how much men hate them...men do not themselves know the depths of their hatred''
Germaine Greer - The Female Eunuch.

I read a book some years back by a young transwoman and it was then I saw there is a problem cos he/she just seemed so angry to NOT be biologically female and as if it was the fault of female !!???

this author also gave a strong impression that soft flowing clothes and good hair and make up are very important.......
I am a female who has never been into clothes , make up hair in a big way and I know that is not what makes me a woman.
All the cells in my body make me a woman.
Coping with periods and the way my emotions rise and fall.....etc
plus the way society treats me and the way men look at me.......all these have gone into my perception of myself.

Perhaps these TW people are jealous of the male gaze on biological women??? ( I hate it )

It reminds me of a kid at school who was ‘American’. Actually she had an uncle who lived in the states and she was definitely not American. But she was adamant. She wanted to be American so so so much. She put on an American accent, talked as if she had just got off a plane...

Absolute dingbat.

I’m going to repost here a comment of mine from another thread because it broadly applies to the issues being discussed here. The conclusion stands in all matters relating to the central question here.

Please, do not feel that your wish to support those who actually need it does not match the general tone on here, as you put it. That is completely untrue. Countless women before you have been where you were, have also been where you are now, and have had to come to the same conclusion.

If we see feminism/feminists/women who post in this section as an entity on MN (whereas of course, we’re not a hive mind, this section is made up of many hundreds of individuals, each with differing opinions and nuances in our views), then we have never been anti-trans, nor transphobic. We have always addressed this issue by saying we completely support the rights of transgender people to live peacefully without fear of harm BUT absolutely not at the expense of women’s and girls’ rights and protections. That is not hateful. Women saying, no, this is not okay, is not hateful.

But as you say, there is no middle ground. And if you force me to choose, I know exactly where my line is. I will not be moved.

P.S. C** is extremely offensive. Do not call me that. I am not a subset of something that a man has decided he is. I am a woman.

I was a radical feminist right from my teenage years because I grew up terrified by domestic violence, but even without that I was absolutely sick as a teenager and in my 20s of not being able to go about my business without being constantly harassed, catcalled, groped, followed etc. by men. I know that still goes on, and I find it difficult to understand how women don't see this as the result of a deeply sexist society.

Ask why men refused access to women’s spaces get quite so furious. Why would a male want to be in with women, when he knows that he will frighten and intimidate them ? Could it be that the intimidation is part of the thrill ?

“ Women want and need to retain their single sex spaces, services and sports for reasons of privacy, dignity, comfort as well as safety.“

Some women. I for example do not believe this wrt trans people. But it’s my personal view and you have the right to yours.

If you agree with 'trans' people not being excluded from women's single sex spaces, services and sports, where do you draw the line between people who are trans and people who are not? Is Karen White a 'trans person'? He said he was. How do you tell the difference between someone who is 'trans' and someone who is pretending to be? What does 'trans' mean to you, given that the Stonewall trans umbrella includes nearly everyone?

Some posters never tire of distracting so that women are forced to engage in the same arguments over and over again to justify why we should even be allowed to talk about these issues.

Yes. I engage only for the sake of any woman who might be at the start of this journey of reading and thinking and learning. Every person that sees and understands is another small victory won.

And to those who are driving, supporting or otherwise part of the problem, and forcing us to engage in this war,

We see you.

“We see you” 😂 do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?!

Burgundy1844
What's your point? You agree the level of public discourse is low but you offer zero input on the thread topic which is, helpfully, a question.
This screenshot suggests you agree that trans activists blame women for men's actions because of a lack of informed debate. Is that your position?

Burgundy posting on a feminist chat board to tell women they are man haters. Takes me back to the 1970s it does.

No I think there’s a lack of informed debate on both sides. Disgusting social media comments by some TRAs countered by war rhetoric and the utterly daft “we see you” stuff. Don’t make me laugh 😂

If you’re looking for the 1970s then stick with the relentless posts about how much men hate us. Honestly it’s deluded.

There's no hate about then? Can we please dump the hate crime legislation and the stop funding hate campaigns please? That's very 21st century, didn't exist 50 years ago.

Fact is that in trans people you’ve found a vulnerable group you can focus that rage on

Can you please explain how adult heterosexual males with no dysphoria, yet call themselves women and tell us to sick their dicks if we don't like it, are "vulnerable"?
Young impressionable teens being used to push a political agenda, yes, very vulnerable.

Vulnerable? How could such a vulnerable group have the muscle to torpedo a FGM bill in Wyoming? Or get into schools, police services, big business? Get Pride to be a whole month? To push their way into IWD? To convince the UK-women that males can be women?

Vulnerable my arse.