Celeb supporters of jkr

[RyanBergarasTeeth]

Can we have a thread on celebs that have come out with supportive messages for jk rowling? The ones i have seen so far:

Jonathan Ross (although a shit house scared of his daughters)
Robert webb
David baddiel
Kirsty Alsopp

Any others?

[pappyon]

OK so if spaces are separated on the basis of race, is that how they should stay, no matter how much someone wants to be there?

[teawamutu]

In your strawperson argument, what is the reason for the separation?

[pappyon]

I'm not making racial segregation up. It happened/happens.

[teawamutu]

I didn't say that, though, did I?

This is (a) tiresome and (b) massively off topic.

Can I suggest we move this to one of the many other more on-topic threads or start a new one?

[SunsetBeetch]

@pappyon

I'm not making racial segregation up. It happened/happens.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Were women-only spaces created in the first place because women were bigots who just didn't like men?

Anyway, I think we've given enough time to your derailing of this thread.

CONGRATULATIONS JK! WELL DESERVED!

[teawamutu]

Anyway, back on topic I notice Caitlin Moran has just retweeted Hugo Rifkind's Times column on free speech, and mentioned JKR.

[Apileofballyhoo]

Is the Joseph McGann account gone?

[BoreOfWhabylon]

Seems to have gone all right

[Apileofballyhoo]

Hope he's ok.

[Lamahaha]

@BovaryX

It's interesting, isn't it? Stephen King's TWAW pledge seems to be a response to this

You should address the T××× tweet*

A stark statement which reads not as a piece of advice, but as a command, similar in effect to You should watch your words. And the literary world and its celebrity authors are perfectly well aware of the implications of ignoring such a command.

Yes. It's as if they're all frozen stiff, holding their breath, afraid to say a peep in case "they" come after them with pitchforks.
I'm so glad Hachette and JK's agents stood firm.

I said this on the other thread but I think it's women (and men) in their mid 20s and 30s who are the most woke as they will not have been personally affected by consequences of trans ideology such as the taking away of single sex spaces in schools, but don't yet have daughters who will be affected.

I agree, although my own two kids and sil fall into this demography (aged 29 - 35) and they are all ardently GC. But then again, they have daughters...
My sil has taken to sending me news stories of the latest horrors, usually a few days after I've been debating those horrors on MN! -- and slowly they are understanding the wider implications. My daughter is now urging me to cancel Amazon Prime, an account she too profits from. I would have been devastated if they were woke.

But I do think there's an increasing number of the generation below who are GC - the girls in school today who are holding their wee in all day rather than use unisex facilities and feel forced to stay at home - missing out on education - during their period due to unisex facilities and period shaming. The real world consequences are hitting them and through them their parents and grandparents.

This is my great hope. That they are the ones who will have to deal with the consequences: mixed sex toilets, female sports, etc.

[Lamahaha]

One very well-known female author and one up-and-coming female author have posted GC friendly comments on FB. I won't mention their names here as they spoke on private groups.
But even in private groups, it can be risky to speak out.

[SunsetBeetch]

Strike stars stand ul for JKR, although they do not weigh in on the trans debate.

More integrity and talent than the Harry Potter lot.

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-08-24/strike-holliday-grainger-jk-rowling/amp/

[Wondersense]

@TBHno

Robert Webb

Hadley Freeman

Hadley Freeman is great. She's one of the few Guardian writers that has flair & wit.

[Wondersense]

@pappyon

OK so if spaces are separated on the basis of race, is that how they should stay, no matter how much someone wants to be there?

I am normally pretty polite online even if I disagree with someone, but your comment leads me to think you are either about 12 years old, or have a low I.Q to make a comparison of race segregation and sex segregation. Honestly. Where does one fucking start??

Maybe on the statistics of male sexual violence? Maybe in realising that the feelings of one do not trump the safety and dignity of women. Maybe with saying that it's not women's fault that men cannot accept or behave well towards flamboyant or camp men, and that it shouldn't be up to us to sort it out or make our spaces vulnerable because of it.

[Billi77]

All a bit D list so far...

[Wondersense]

@pappyon

But there are inherent issues with the simple biological model which mean that doesn't work in all cases. Whether you refer to chromosomes, hormones, primary or secondary sex characteristics, there are cases that exist which mean that there are no solid biological definition that will include everything that is a 'woman' and exclude everything that is not

Male & female are biological binaries, models that are designed to reproduce. That means that a healthy man and a healthy woman would produce a baby if they had sex. That's what we are physically designed for, but every system has anomalies, an exception doesn't make the rule.

[ThinEndoftheWedge]

secondary sex characteristics

I never get the point of this as if that is evidence of continuum of sex.

Many men have bigger boobs than I. That doesn’t make them more female or me as a size A/B cup more male.

[Fantasisa]

I've come to the conclusion that any celebrity who hasn't said TWAW are GC. The ones who stay silent are GC.

And even a lot of them who have said TWAW will have only said it because they are scared about their careers.

[Priord]

Zac Goldsmith
twitter.com/zacgoldsmith/status/1299442425287639040?s=21

Never tried to link before, hope it works.

[Lisz]

So the ones who are saying nothing, all agree with you and the ones who say they don’t are all lying anyway? Hoo boy.

[Mollscroll]

I think that is correct. Woke cookies to be won by endorsing this ideology. Opprobrium and loss of income if you publicly object. So everyone who agrees should be jumping up and down shouting out their approval. But actually only a few are and even then they are mostly the young and relatively untalented who cannot afford to cause any ructions. Looking at you younger Harry Potter actors. And Jameela . Actually I think Jameela is a true believer but then she also believes she’s queer because she once had some gay friends and quite fancied a girl from school.

One can only conclude that the silent mostly agree. And that would be in line with the views of the silent majority in society as a whole who mostly don’t know this is happening and when they do find out think it’s insane.

[Muttonindistress]

[quote SunsetBeetch]Strike stars stand ul for JKR, although they do not weigh in on the trans debate.

More integrity and talent than the Harry Potter lot.

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-08-24/strike-holliday-grainger-jk-rowling/amp/[/quote]
I felt it was a bit out of order for the interviewer to ask the question as it was irrelevant to interview, but I was very impressed by the actors’ answers. As you say, they managed to show support for JKR without taking sides in the debate (which I certainly don’t blame them for). Makes you wonder why the Harry Potter lot couldn’t have done the same. Is it because the US movie industry is ultra woke? Their statements did seem very scripted/ brainwashed compared to the Strike actors.

[Fantasisa]

So the ones who are saying nothing, all agree with you and the ones who say they don’t are all lying anyway? Hoo boy.

I didn't say 'all' I said 'a lot'. I think very, very few people actually really believe TWAW. Because it is completely and utterly false. It has become a mantra that people parrot to 'be kind' without actually thinking about the ramifications.

[Abhannmor]

@stumbledin

On one level it is irrelevant who is, or even tentatively supporting JKR.

The way the main stream media in going all out to show who is against her, their muffled voices make not difference. Although some like YAB have said she wont discuss in public any more. And there are more than a few others. But always its just so traumatic, cant we have a quiet discussion.

Apart from Suzanne Moore in the Telegraph which has quite a big circulation and Janice Turner (it was quite small though wasn't it) in the Times, the papers are an onslaught on JKR being pilloried.

However have just seen that Gina Davidson in the Scotsman (doubly brave in Scotland) has written a real good and positive piece supporting the issues that JKR is writing about. www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/why-abuse-jk-rowling-problem-trans-rights-activists-gina-davidson-2881971

Seriously, please remember less that 20% of the population is on twitter. It is what the papers and tv news are saying that is setting the agenda for most people.

I read somewhere it's 15% of ppl in the UK . Only 8% of the world. A tiny self reinforcing bubble.

[MoreJammyDodgersPlease]

Mary Peters in The Times. Sorry, I don't have a share token.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/olympic-star-mary-peters-charges-into-trans-athletes-row-mn5fb6nch?fbclid=IwAR2Op5WD77mXh_-jn98IxJMusDZBjA088Tld9CrquupFYTXxnIrGL5n-sbs