Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

[Littlemeadow123]

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

Enderthedragon, was wondering whether the OP has been on twitter to request the folks baying for JKR's blood, threatening death and rape 'be kind'. Nope, thought not.

GreytExpectations

So you can answer the question then.

Which of the rights of women currently in law you want to see withdrawn?

GreytExpectations

I assume you're reporting all these incidents of "transphobia"?

I would love to engage in a discussion, but really everyone just screams "transphobes" and won't actually commit to a discussion.

I have two questions for you that are very pertinent to me: -

Do you think people with a male physique should be allowed to compete in sports with women?

Do you think it is acceptable for a support group focussing on issues that are unique to biological women and incredibly distressing, should be forced to include transwomen for fear of causing offence?

@Burgundy1844

“what I have noticed is that if you treat people with respect and patience, everyone might learn something.”

Which ought to be something we can all agree on, except neither ‘side’ has really covered itself in glory in this regard have they?

I think that could be said.

It can also be said overwhelmingly, just looking at this past weekend for instance, that the amount of male violence that is being displayed and threatened by people who are claiming these female rights are shocking. And are being minimised! Completely! And yet, here we are being scolded for discussing upholding existing female's right.

Not sure how anyone can actually reconcile these threats and still claim there is no potential risk to be honest....

Greyt if you can’t give transphobic examples from mumsnet, can you define it?

They’re probably too busy reporting all the mean transphobic posts Datun 😆

@Burgundy1844 You must have missed my question again, I'll repeat it here for you.

We believe that women's rights are for all women. You seem to think that we are excluding some women. Which women do you think are being excluded?

I'm a woman that does not want to be close to a naked man in a small space who isn't my husband.

I'm clearly deranged and very mean.

But seriously Grey, how is my discomfort with this extreme?

And no one answers.

It's like taking candy from a baby 🤣

@Michelleoftheresistance

Or - there could be a third way. Involving kindness and inclusiveness on both sides to recognise there are aspects of being a transwoman that no female human can fully understand, and aspects of being a female human that no transwoman can fully understand.

And ensuring all the needs of both groups are met, by continuing to provide some female only spaces, resources, protections alongside additional mixed sex women's provisions. What a lovely, inclusive and tolerant world that would be.

Works for me.

Bloody hell I'm hitting the gin. It's happy hour somewhere.

Greyt I've seen you refer to 'pregnant women' in other posts so don't pretend you aren't transphobic.

GreytExpectations

Please could you tell me if any of the following are transphobic and explain why they are/are not. I would appreciate your view to help me understand.

Humans cannot change sex.
Only those born female menstruate or can become pregnant. ( i didn't say all females i said only females)
Only those born male produce sperm ( again i didn't say all males i said only males)
A penis is male genitalia
A vagina is female genitalia
Females are raped murdered and abused in higher numbers than males and males are the largest percentage of the perpetrators.
Females need sex based protections in sport, health care, politics, employment and criminal justice system.

I know I am asking you to respond and you can just ignore me so many thanks.

@Sojo88

I agree with you, OP

I had an amusing conversation with my 7 year old this morning. I asked him if he'd written anything in the 20 minutes I had to spend with his sibling on their work. After I got no answer I said that I would take his lack of a reply to mean that no, he hasn't done any work.

When he protested why I would assume such a thing I told him that if he'd done it then he'd tell me much quicker rather than stalling. Did his protesting mean he had actually done some work? No. No it didn't.

Thing is that these threads have become a national byword for intolerance and transphobia. Fortunately it’s relatively contained and for reasonable people it affords an opportunity to pop in occasionally and stare in disbelief at the views of certain posters who claim to be feminists. Then back to the (mercifully) more tolerant real world. Whenever I see these threads they’re always exactly the same and always completely

That post wasn't actually a reply to sojo, I don't know why it's quoted Sorry!

Grey Burgundy, or Nekko

Do you think the person who told J. K. Rowling to suck their dick until she dies, should be able to get changed with my 13-year-old daughter, if they say they are a woman?

Whenever I see these threads they’re always exactly the same

I know, but one day I do hope I'll get some answers and people can have a different conversation.

Sorry choke on their dick. (a little bit full of himself, aren't they)

Thing is that these threads have become a national byword for intolerance and transphobia. Fortunately it’s relatively contained and for reasonable people it affords an opportunity to pop in occasionally and stare in disbelief at the views of certain posters who claim to be feminists.

Do you mean all of MN or just FWR?

Thing is that these threads have become a national byword for intolerance and transphobia. Fortunately it’s relatively contained and for reasonable people it affords an opportunity to pop in occasionally and stare in disbelief at the views of certain posters who claim to be feminists.

Astonishing how little effect we have, and yet how much attention we attract. And how people hang out here all the live long day..complaining that we have no effect.

Thing is that these threads have become a national byword for intolerance and transphobia.

I know right - people really do hate women getting together and talking, it's a disgrace!

Meanwhile the sort of abuse directed at both JK Rowling and Munroe Bergdorf, from men, goes largely unnoticed.

Funny that, isn't it?

No @datun obviously not and I suspect (or rather hope) that you know what a ridiculous point that is.

OP I gave up giving a shit if people thought I was ‘kind’ a while ago, it started around the time i was fucked over in my job because I had the temerity to get pregnant.

‘be kind’ is shorthand for ‘shut up and move over’, so my response to your ‘be kind’ is a simple no.

If anything this feminist board has stuck me more into my current thinking, let tranwomen into female spaces if that's where they feel most comfortable, and if you don't, then try on your clothes elsewhere, use a locked door cubicle in the swimming area. People shouldn't feel shame or weird about nude bodies, male, female, intersex, all bodies are beautiful and nakedness should be normalised

That’s a lovely sentiment. But I know lots of women who have been in prison and they don’t want to be accommodated with male sex offenders, even if that’s where these men feel more comfortable.

Should I tell them they are wrong to feel shame or afraid or weird about it, because all bodies are beautiful ?