Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

[Littlemeadow123]

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

Then back to the (mercifully) more tolerant real world. Whenever I see these threads they’re always exactly the same and always completely

But the real world isn't more tolerant is it Burgundy1844
If it were TW could use the facilities that are male specific.
Woman wouldn't be paid less.
Or murdered more.
Or raped more.
Baby girls wouldn't be tossed in dumps because they are girls.
There would be more women in power.
Young girls aged 12 would not be married to men aged 40 plus.

What you want is for women to be more tolerant of mens wants and forget our own needs. Where is your tolerance for us?

Whenever I see these threads they’re always exactly the same and always completely

If only people would answer the questions directed at them, right?

*Thing is that these threads have become a national byword for intolerance and transphobia.

Yes, you certainly sound very 'reasonable'.

Bit of a mystery why anybody even bothers coming here, if they find it so , isn't it? There's only three of us, with different names, and we're just boring silly old mums, anyway. You'd think they'd leave us to it.

@ItsLateHumpty not all of Mumsnet fortunately. It’s just some of the people who seem to spend their whole lives in this particular part. But as I said, I’d rather they did it here than out in the real world.

@NekoShiro

Yeah I haven't read a lot of the comments in the feminism board, I don't have the free leisure time to endlessly scroll through utter garbage, it's just random people throwing their random opinions out into the void, and I've been trying to talk to people about what the issue is with trans people but I just get people frothing at the mouth about how their impeding our rights, when I say rights I mean human rights. Not male or female rights, the rights to live on this earth as a human being with dignity and respect, not to get treated like they are litterally eroding womans rights and that they are a parasite in the cultural movements.

I would love for my eyes to be opened from all the lies I've been told but none of you are doing it, none of you can actually give me anything concrete other than you're scared and confused.

NekoShiro. Have you ever even looked that the links that are contained within these threads? Links that I am sure posters have referred to that have plenty of evidence based and balanced legal opinion.

Not male or female rights, the rights to live on this earth as a human being with dignity and respect, Rights that no one on this board denies should be theirs.

not to get treated like they are litterally eroding womans rights I know that you had posters say to you before, this is not just about toilets! Have you read any of the threads about women's sports, women's shortlists, female employment rights that were put into law to prevent people from discriminating against females for their biology (and these laws STILL get abused now). This is but a small section of the impacts. Or do you honestly believe this do not exist because it has simply never effected you?

and that they are a parasite in the cultural movements. As long as this 'culture' does not continue to make being female a performance, or mean that gender stereotypes continue to be a 'thing' and continue to actually cause such great harm to our daughter's and son's as well as us. Then why would people say they are parasites?

Burgundy Ooh good, sounds like you've already talked about solutions to our concerns before so maybe your a tad jaded by it all. Care to share? Do you for example, agree with the totally batshit idea earlier that our young girls are transphobic if they're uncomfortable being in a changing room by themselves with a person with a penis?

Or would you agree with me that if a TW can come in so can all men because as we're so often reminded NAMALT?

I am a feminist who will put the safety, dignity, and boundaries of biological women and girls first every time.

Wrong side of history my arse.

If anything this feminist board has stuck me more into my current thinking, let tranwomen into female spaces if that's where they feel most comfortable, and if you don't, then try on your clothes elsewhere

So women can't use female changing rooms if they don't want to change near males? The males feelings come first, always, and if the women don't feel 'comfortable' then tough shit, go elsewhere? Wow, how feminist, how progressive, what a way to turn over thousands of years of men telling women what they can and can't do, who they can and can't be.

When men stop ogling my clothed body then I might think about having fewer hang ups on nakedness

But until men behave better I will not be stripping off in front of them

But as I said, I’d rather they did it here than out in the real world.

God yeah, women...with opinions... out in the real world. The very thought of it is enough to make anyone shudder.

stare in disbelief at the views -

such as female humans have needs too that are met by laws that shouldn't be removed? That solutions meaning male humans have their needs met at the expense of female humans are unjust and wrong?

Shocking stuff. #feministingallwrong

Hang on Burgundy - did you just say that Datun's teenage daughter shouldn't have to get changed with Ms Choke On My Dick?

Because I think Ms COMD would think you were a terrible terf & all round bad person if you tried to stop them.

@Enderthedragon

If anything this feminist board has stuck me more into my current thinking, let tranwomen into female spaces if that's where they feel most comfortable, and if you don't, then try on your clothes elsewhere

So women can't use female changing rooms if they don't want to change near males? The males feelings come first, always, and if the women don't feel 'comfortable' then tough shit, go elsewhere? Wow, how feminist, how progressive, what a way to turn over thousands of years of men telling women what they can and can't do, who they can and can't be.

Great, isn't it? My observant Muslim friend's daughter had to stop going to the gym because a TW insisted going in the one women-only hour a week. But she should just suck it up and stop exercising, amirite?

@Enderthedragon no not women, just bigots.

Which ought to be something we can all agree on, except neither ‘side’ has really covered itself in glory in this regard have they?

Which is the side making threats of rape and murder, die in a grease fire, choke on their dicks, making reports to employers, doxxing, trying to shut down the internet sites, demanding alteration of language, intimidation, attempting to shut down meetings, physically attacking meetings, stalking and harassing, no platforming, surreptitiously subverting legal protections by deliberately and falsely claiming an Act of Parliament says something it doesn't and training institutions using this falsehood.

Which side pointed out the problems that arise from the imposition of a change in law which removes rights from a group that hold a protected characteristic and requested access to the discussions, the chance to debate, the opportunity to put their point of view across?

Yeah, both sides are definitely as bad as each other.

How are you not showing bigotry when you are so determined that no woman here has anything just or worth listening to to say about the needs and rights of female humans?

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I’d rather they did it here than out in the real world

If any lurkers are in any doubt about what these posters want, this comment should show it for you quite clearly.

Women should be seen and not heard. Kept out of the way, kept silent and kept meek.

I don't really fancy gin tonight, tellmewhen I think I'll have some red wine, maybe a nice glass of Bunbury.

@Burgundy1844

Could you answer these please: -

Do you think people with a male physique should be allowed to compete in sports with women?

Do you think it is acceptable for a support group focussing on issues that are unique to biological women and incredibly distressing, should be forced to include transwomen for fear of causing offence?

Otherwise it might appear your motives are purely nefarious.

@Burgundy1844

No *@datun* obviously not and I suspect (or rather hope) that you know what a ridiculous point that is.

Yes, was that seriously in response to Datun's question about Ms Choke On My Dick?

no not women, just bigots.

Can you please give some examples of the 'bigotry' on the FWR board?

You’ve got me @scrimpshaw the second. I think we should be seen and not heard. Kept out of the way, kept silent and kept meek

[quote Burgundy1844]@ItsLateHumpty not all of Mumsnet fortunately. It’s just some of the people who seem to spend their whole lives in this particular part. But as I said, I’d rather they did it here than out in the real world.[/quote]
That’s interesting, and also for the people who say they get shouted down, and FWR is a minority view, an OP I read as less than pro woman / biology was started in AIBU, and whilst there are only 264 posts, the voting is def pro biology - and 1884 people have voted.

Also the MSM comments seem to be pro biology too. And pro biology is being described on this thread and others as transphobic.

Am not a nutter. Be kind bunpot

No @datun obviously not and I suspect (or rather hope) that you know what a ridiculous point that is.

So you don't think that Ms Choke on my Dick should be allowed in the women's changing rooms? But Ms Choke on my Dick is a woman isn't she, so we should be welcoming her with open arms? Isn't saying anything to the contrary transphobic, bigoted TERFery?