Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

[Littlemeadow123]

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

As I read on another thread earlier today, a seahorse is not a horse and a hotdog is not a dog. Trans is not an adjective describing a woman, it is part of a whole word which does not mean woman.

Transwomen aren't women, they are men who "transition" to an approximation of "femininity" as they self-define it. They still have XY chromosomes as determined at conception. In all likelihood they also have more testosterone than women, an intact male anatomy, experience of male privilege in their life so far, etc.

I couldn't care less if a man picks a female name or wears a skirt. I do care if he demands to intrude on women's sex-based protections. Not gender-based, sex-based.

Of course it's good to be kind and respectful to all human beings. However the fact is that transwomen have XY chromosomes, and women are adult human females with XX chromosomes. Not the same thing at all.

@DickKerrLadies  [grin]@LookAtTheCahhOlivahhhhh all yours oh and I love your photo too! Been ages since I saw a puppet show!

If history will judge me for fighting to maintain safe spaces for women and to uphold safeguarding of children then I'm happy to be judgedTW are TW not women*

Indeed!

Burgundy

We believe that women's rights are for all women. You seem to think that we are excluding some women. Which women do you think are being excluded?

The crickets are strong on this thread......

I agree with you, OP

Care to stay and explain why Sojo88?

@MilleniumHallsWalledGarden

Notreally yes, I am a feminist. A radical feminist. If you understand what that means you realise that I am pro-women.

The radical in radical feminist relates to the analysis of the roots of the oppression women have suffered over the millennia by men. Radical feminists see gender as the main mechanism by which women have been oppressed so they are working towards the abolition of gender in all areas of life. Therefore gender ideology such as that seen in the current transgender rights movement is an anathema to radical feminists.

Therefore, I don't believe your assertion is accurate; you're not a radical feminist.

Oh come on. She identifies as a radical feminist, so radical feminists need to just get pesky facts out of the way and centre her completely differing belief set. It’s just not nice to refuse to include someone who centres gender and refutes sex.

There doesn't seem to be much point, looking at all the responses the OP has had - but thanks for asking :)

I just wanted the OP to know they had some support

OP I will be kind to anyone, but I will not roll over and watch sex based rights being trampled all over and safeguarding thrown to the wind by men.
I will fight for the rights and safety of my young daughters for sex segregated safe spaces.

There are many, many examples out there of men who abuse their trans status, you are either ignoring this or choosing to prioritise the needs of men over the safety of women and girls.

I don’t really understand the obsession with trans women on here tbh, there’s literally thread after thread created about them every single day. Very few cover any new ground and anyone with a different opinion is bullied off the thread or labelled as a TRA troll, most become a “circle-jerk” where people spend most of their time congratulating each other for sharing the same outrage and opinion.

Ploppers are pointless.

@Sojo88

There doesn't seem to be much point, looking at all the responses the OP has had - but thanks for asking :)

I just wanted the OP to know they had some support

Actually, all we are asking is for clarity on just what the OP meant? Because there is a lot of discussion everywhere, including in the media, about just what transphobic entails.

If you have some views on this, please express them.

Otherwise this entire thread will have been raised as a way to shut down free speech - in particular women speaking for what they perceive as their rights.

I don’t really understand the obsession with trans women on here tbh, there’s literally thread after thread created about them every single day.

What about the other topics with multiple threads then?
Mils
Cover
The Royal family
Cheating partners
TTC threads

All have multiple posts about the same subject why do you think trans posts should be limited to only one?

@LastRoloIsMine

Ploppers are pointless.

I was going to discuss the irony but this sums it up more.

Gosh there seems to be a schizophrenic online today, judging by the multiple personalities coming from a single poster!

@Elsiebear90

I don’t really understand the obsession with trans women on here tbh, there’s literally thread after thread created about them every single day. Very few cover any new ground and anyone with a different opinion is bullied off the thread or labelled as a TRA troll, most become a “circle-jerk” where people spend most of their time congratulating each other for sharing the same outrage and opinion.

And yet here you are, despite having had the opportunity to just scroll on buy. How very interesting.

@Winesalot

I can't speak specifically for the OP, but I think where they're coming from is that there's a lot of hatred towards people who want to be women, despite being born male. Some people feel suicidal over having been born in the wrong body, and if they read some of these threads I think it would greatly upset them. No, someone male-born will never truly be 100% female, but if that's what they want I would refer to them how they want, I would call them a woman and I wouldn't try telling them they're not what they wish to be identified as. I guess this whole "transwomen aren't women" thing just seems a very harsh thing to say, and unnecessary. However, I appreciate that it makes things a bit more complicated when it comes to toilets and changing rooms etc. Sorry, not expressed that very well but hope it makes sense.

What about the other topics with multiple threads then?
Mils
Cover
The Royal family
Cheating partners
TTC threads

Because these mostly cover new ground and discuss individual personal situations e.g. cheating or MIL threads, also multiple threads created about the same topic are criticised. Many of the threads on trans women are the same topic being repeated over and over again, like do we really need about ten threads to say how we all agree with JK Rowling and she’s wonderful? There’s more issues in feminism than trans rights yet this whole board is completely dominated by it.

“Be kind” 🙄

@Elsiebear90

I don’t really understand the obsession with trans women on here tbh, there’s literally thread after thread created about them every single day. Very few cover any new ground and anyone with a different opinion is bullied off the thread or labelled as a TRA troll, most become a “circle-jerk” where people spend most of their time congratulating each other for sharing the same outrage and opinion.

Have you not noticed that this this actually reflective of what is being discussed heavily on social media?

I used to think about that too. Then I realised that at the moment so much is happening around this topic that it went without saying that it would be happening here too right now.

I am sure that you also may have noticed there is plenty of new posters on the boards so I guess the discussion about JKR is very topical and lively.

What I have noticed is that this is just one of the threads that are posted here regularly to goad other posters and there is no debating or discussion, it is just to scold and shut down discussion. You are regularly here, I am sure you will have noticed this too. And the MN team has let this one stand while it is heavily moderated.

Why not start a thread about a topic you would like to explore Elsiebear?

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse she’s probably like me, just pops in every now and again to see if the same people are still ranting their nonsense. To the outside world it’s all a bit

@wrongsideofhistorymyarse you’ve just proven my point exactly, because I have different opinion to you and don’t want to participate in your circle jerk I’m basically told I’m not welcome on the board.

I really don’t understand how someone can say being “pro-woman is transphobic and transgender people are not eroding women’s rights” in the same breath with a straight face. It is utterly contradictory.

[quote Sojo88]@Winesalot

I can't speak specifically for the OP, but I think where they're coming from is that there's a lot of hatred towards people who want to be women, despite being born male. Some people feel suicidal over having been born in the wrong body, and if they read some of these threads I think it would greatly upset them. No, someone male-born will never truly be 100% female, but if that's what they want I would refer to them how they want, I would call them a woman and I wouldn't try telling them they're not what they wish to be identified as. I guess this whole "transwomen aren't women" thing just seems a very harsh thing to say, and unnecessary. However, I appreciate that it makes things a bit more complicated when it comes to toilets and changing rooms etc. Sorry, not expressed that very well but hope it makes sense.[/quote]
Thanks Sojo88. It is always good to have someone who actually stops and explains and without being accusatory or censorial.

There’s more issues in feminism than trans rights yet this whole board is completely dominated by it.

Could that be because the trans ideology is damaging to women and girls safety and rights therefore feminists view it as one of the important things to discuss?

Also this thread was started by someone who thinks TW are women so maybe direct your post at the OP not those who replied.