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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pro-woman is just a euphemism for transphobic

582 replies

Littlemeadow123 · 10/06/2020 12:54

Exactly that.

Transgender people are not eroding our rights as women. Although, the people making such spiteful and ignorant comments and talking about trying to stop them getting recognized as women are eroding their rights to be accepted, respected equal. Do you all honestly think that by speaking out AGAINST transgender people, you are going to be declared as heroes?

And what happened to be kind?

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SarahMcDonald · 10/06/2020 14:53

That’s a shame, I was looking forward to reading the answer. Along with the definition of “ women “.

StrangeLookingParasite · 10/06/2020 14:54

A game I’m guessing you’re very familiar with

Well you and others like you do keep turning up here, to plop, not answer uncomfortable questions then run away.

SoberCurious · 10/06/2020 14:54

Jeesus.

FatalSecrets · 10/06/2020 14:54

@Littlemeadow123

As you can't seem to answer this question: -

"Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?"

Could you tell us where you have asked TRAs to #bekind to women please? Are you calling them out on Twitter currently?

Datun · 10/06/2020 14:54

Do you believe women should continue to have all the rights they currently have in law?

"Did I miss the answer to this question?"

No, because they have no idea what rights we're talking about. Cant let a bit of legislative detail get in the way of misogyny.

And partly because they actively do want to take away women's rights, but having already said that's not happening, you bigots, their heads are exploding.

Winesalot · 10/06/2020 14:54

[quote Burgundy1844]@datun “ Honestly, it's like hunt the brain cell.”

A game I’m guessing you’re very familiar with Grin[/quote]
Or shall I put it another way .... we are here, educate us!

Or doesn't the stream of feminism you believe in actually require any foundation in understanding the needs of women and their rights? Because, I personally don't call myself a feminist and I have never studied it as a discipline.

So again, fire away with your answers.

Burgundy1844 · 10/06/2020 14:55

@DickKerrLadies I’ve answered the really “clever” question that you all keep asking Grin

StrangeLookingParasite · 10/06/2020 14:55

@Datun

It's so like talking to 14-year-olds, that I strongly suspect that's exactly what we're doing.
Who think they're ever so brave social justice warriors for attempting to educate us terrible people.
OpenTheCurtainsPleaseDear · 10/06/2020 14:56

Be kind: trans women are trans women
Be honest: trans women are men
Be misogynistic: trans women are women.

SarahMcDonald · 10/06/2020 14:56

I expect the OP is off to speak to the BLM people about why they should just be kind and nice and stop shouting and use the correct tone.

Oh and smile. Has anyone mentioned smiling yet?

LillianBland · 10/06/2020 14:56

At this stage I’m ready for any simple vegan recipes for dinner. I’m not particularly interested in those from meat eaters that identify as vegans.

Wolfgirrl · 10/06/2020 14:56

In my experience, 'be kind' is the refrain of the not-very-bright. They don't seem to understand that in many cases (such as this), being 'kind' to one party compromises another. When you point this out to them, they are baffled and become aggressive, thus contradicting their own mantra. It is quite funny when you think about it, albeit exhausting to deal with.

I am new to the feminist board, I have been lurking a while. I have zero 'personal' dogs in this fight, in that I don't know any trans people, or have had any dealings with any trans people in the past. But now I would place myself firmly at TWANW.

It really isnt a matter of emotion or debate; it is fact.

Women are adult human females. Men are adult human males. There is also a very tiny third category for those who are intersex, where things are a little less clearly defined.

A subsection of men are trans women. I am all for trans women being accommodated as a group in their own right (e.g. a trans womens toilet), but merging them with 'women' is nonsensical on all levels.

I also object to being called a 'cis' woman. I am a woman. I do not need a prefix, which only serves to make out I am in a subcategory of my own sex, and effectively waters down my position as a woman.

We are not taking away anyones rights. What rights did trans women have formerly that have been legally removed as a result of women? We are having our own rights diluted and effectively made to be 'token rights' which serve no purpose any more.

Burgundy1844 · 10/06/2020 14:57

@Winesalot I’ve not stated that I consider myself a feminist.

DickKerrLadies · 10/06/2020 14:57

@SarahMcDonald

That’s a shame, I was looking forward to reading the answer. Along with the definition of “ women “.
I have more hope of my children sitting down and doing their small amount of schoolwork the first time I ask them and I gave up on expecting that approximately 8 weeks ago Grin whoops I mean Gin

Like I say, I just don't get why they don't realise that the inability to answer simple questions without trying to twist themselves in linguistic knots does the opposite of what they think it does. The TRAs, that is, not my children. Although...

DickKerrLadies · 10/06/2020 14:57

[quote Burgundy1844]@DickKerrLadies I’ve answered the really “clever” question that you all keep asking Grin[/quote]
Yes I know. Like I said, we're just awaiting your clarification on which women you think are being excluded.

Apologies if I've missed it.

DickKerrLadies · 10/06/2020 14:59

Unless there's another answer I've missed that you think I was referring to?

Winesalot · 10/06/2020 14:59

[quote Burgundy1844]@DickKerrLadies I’ve answered the really “clever” question that you all keep asking Grin[/quote]
Actually, we have been asking YOU to detail women's laws that are exposing some females?

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 10/06/2020 15:00

Notreally
yes, I am a feminist. A radical feminist. If you understand what that means you realise that I am pro-women.

The radical in radical feminist relates to the analysis of the roots of the oppression women have suffered over the millennia by men. Radical feminists see gender as the main mechanism by which women have been oppressed so they are working towards the abolition of gender in all areas of life. Therefore gender ideology such as that seen in the current transgender rights movement is an anathema to radical feminists.

Therefore, I don't believe your assertion is accurate; you're not a radical feminist.

QuentinQuarantino · 10/06/2020 15:01

Funny how these "You're all mean, nasty terfs and I'm telling the menz on you". threads are almost always started by posters who are, how shall I out this, less than overburdened with the capacity for critical thought and intelligent debate.

I've yet to see one pro-trans thread where the OP lays out any sort of reasoned argument or engages with the rational questions asked by MNers.

It's almost as if they're not bright enough to understand the fallacy of their own argument 🤔.

Almost.

FatalSecrets · 10/06/2020 15:01

@Burgundy1844

Can you honestly state in earnest you see NO situation where a biological woman only space might be important and relevant?

Datun · 10/06/2020 15:03

How many misogynists have we had on here calling themselves radical feminists? It seems like one a week.

Winesalot · 10/06/2020 15:04

[quote Burgundy1844]@Winesalot I’ve not stated that I consider myself a feminist.[/quote]
Ok. Sorry that I assumed you were as you are a brand new poster posting on a Feminist board.

So, could you then please ask the other questions that have been directed to you. I am interested as I have said, I am always in learning mode and if there is deficiencies, we need to have them addressed.

FOJN · 10/06/2020 15:06

I know it's like banging my head against a 20 metre thick brick wall

You really should stop that, you'll hurt yourself and it's impairing your debating skill.

Was my concern for your safety "kind" enough?

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 10/06/2020 15:06

If history will judge me for fighting to maintain safe spaces for women and to uphold safeguarding of children then I'm happy to be judged.

TW are TW not women.

And for the boringly predictable claims MN is full of transphobia I would be obliged if you can give an example otherwise you're talking rubbish quite frankly. Whata has asked some excellent questions, what are your thoughts?

MrGHardy · 10/06/2020 15:08

Hypocrite.

Do as I say, not as I do.

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