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Daniel Radcliffe responds to J.K Rowling's tweets on gender identity

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EddyF · 09/06/2020 04:40

Daniel Radcliffe responds to JK Rowling’s tweets: “Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people”

Daniel Radcliffe Responds to J.K. Rowling’s Tweets on Gender Identity – The Trevor Project

FULL STATEMENT

I realize that certain press outlets will probably want to paint this as in-fighting between J.K. Rowling and myself, but that is really not what this is about, nor is it what’s important right now. While Jo is unquestionably responsible for the course my life has taken, as someone who has been honored to work with and continues to contribute to The Trevor Project for the last decade, and just as a human being, I feel compelled to say something at this moment.

Transgender women are women. Any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people and goes against all advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I. According to The Trevor Project, 78% of transgender and nonbinary youth reported being the subject of discrimination due to their gender identity. It’s clear that we need to do more to support transgender and nonbinary people, not invalidate their identities, and not cause further harm.

I am still learning how to be a better ally, so if you want to join me in learning more about transgender and nonbinary identities check out The Trevor Project’s Guide to Being an Ally to Transgender and Nonbinary Youth. It’s an introductory educational resource that covers a wide range of topics, including the differences between sex and gender, and shares best practices on how to support transgender and nonbinary people.

To all the people who now feel that their experience of the books has been tarnished or diminished, I am deeply sorry for the pain these comments have caused you. I really hope that you don’t entirely lose what was valuable in these stories to you. If these books taught you that love is the strongest force in the universe, capable of overcoming anything; if they taught you that strength is found in diversity, and that dogmatic ideas of pureness lead to the oppression of vulnerable groups; if you believe that a particular character is trans, nonbinary, or gender fluid, or that they are gay or bisexual; if you found anything in these stories that resonated with you and helped you at any time in your life — then that is between you and the book that you read, and it is sacred. And in my opinion nobody can touch that. It means to you what it means to you and I hope that these comments will not taint that too much.

Love always,
Dan

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/06/2020 18:18

From PUAs to MRAs to TRAs, look behind the curtain and you will find a whole lot of male humans whose sense of entitlement to sex is being challenged by the complete unwillingness of actual women to touch their penises.

PurpleHoodie · 09/06/2020 18:19

Very true Prodigal.

Or be an unpaid slave class.

PamDenick · 09/06/2020 18:20

Daniel Radcliffe - the Boy who Mansplained.

OvaHere · 09/06/2020 18:21

@MadameMarie

I have an obsession with women and their rights. I'm bloody notorious for it. Screeching hysterically about it all the bloody time. In the olden days, we called it feminism, but nowadays it goes by the name of "Oh that's so boring." Language evolves, doncha know? Sexism remains.

This is kind of my point though. It's become the go-to feminist issue and therefore women stop talking about issues like the pay gap.

It's the ultimate dead cat strategy.

What do you propose then? That we just ignore it whilst legislation and policy is changed to favour those with a penis?

Let sex be removed from the EqA as a protected characteristic (yes they tried this and no doubt will again)?

Just stand back whilst young children find themselves on a pathway to sterilisation and other harms because they play with the 'wrong' toys?

It is time/thought/energy consuming but doing nothing isn't really an option.

The pay gap issue will self resolve because nobody will keep track of sex any longer and a board consisting of 50% men and 50% trans, non binary and gender fluid people with penises will suffice as having achieved 'gender equality'.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/06/2020 18:22

I'd love to be able to ignore TRAs, but unfortunately I can already see what would happen if we did and it's not good.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/06/2020 18:28

I don't think transphobia is acceptable and neither does Daniel. Who he was responding to, is irrelevant.

No, it isn't. "Transphobia" here is being framed as women speaking about female rights as distinct from biological males who claim to be women. That erases female rights and takes away our ability to politically organise. That's literally the heart of the issue.

It's like you coming into a thread on police corruption to say that you like the
X Police Department, getting a backlash and then claiming that actually you meant that X police department is in an attractive building and that's what you were personally talking about.

MadameMarie · 09/06/2020 18:29

@TheProdigalKittensReturn

From PUAs to MRAs to TRAs, look behind the curtain and you will find a whole lot of male humans whose sense of entitlement to sex is being challenged by the complete unwillingness of actual women to touch their penises.
The thing with TRA's though is the profile is different to MRA's. MRA's tend to be right wing and conservative. TRA's are the opposite. The likes of Owen Jones and the Guardian crowd.
CaraDune · 09/06/2020 18:30

If there's one thing that this whole debacle has taught me, it's that the left/right distinction is only a thin veneer. The misogyny beneath it is same old, same old whether coming from someone on 4 Chan or someone BTL at the Graun.

CheerfuIPotato · 09/06/2020 18:31

Oh my fucking god IT IS NOT TRANSPHOBIC TO SAY WOMEN EXIST AND THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO NAME OURSELVES!!!

ARE PEOPLE FUCKING THICK?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 09/06/2020 18:32

Misogyny and entitlement aren't limited to any one side of the political spectrum. This isn't the first time left wing men have been appallingly misogynistic.

CaraDune · 09/06/2020 18:36

@CheerfuIPotato

Oh my fucking god IT IS NOT TRANSPHOBIC TO SAY WOMEN EXIST AND THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO NAME OURSELVES!!!

ARE PEOPLE FUCKING THICK?

Yes, yes they are Cheerful. I share your pain.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/06/2020 18:36

The thing with TRA's though is the profile is different to MRA's. MRA's tend to be right wing and conservative. TRA's are the opposite. The likes of Owen Jones and the Guardian crowd.

There's very little difference in how they treat women except the politics. And many TRAs I've come across are what I would call MRAs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/06/2020 18:38

If there's one thing that this whole debacle has taught me, it's that the left/right distinction is only a thin veneer. The misogyny beneath it is same old, same old whether coming from someone on 4 Chan or someone BTL at the Graun.

YY. Some of the misogyny coming from woke left wing men, both straight and gay, on this issue is appalling.

DrDavidBanner · 09/06/2020 18:38

I always prefered the books to the films, the acting was terrible.

I'm not sure if Daniel Radcliffe gets the point. JKR was talking about menstruation and how it affects women. Menstruation does not affect transwomen.

Its truly become a revelation to me we seem to have gone full circle from being 'allowed' to be and work outside the home, to getting the vote, access to contraception, equality of education, employment and within marriage, access to our own bank accounts to not being able to use a universal name to define us (and all the implications that holds) feels so, whats the word?.... Progressive.

SkaraBrae · 09/06/2020 18:41

DR has a habit of apologising on behalf of women.
He did it on the Graham Norton show when Myriam Margolyes, an older Jewish woman, made a joke about the racist psst of Lithuania. Hmm

Lordfrontpaw · 09/06/2020 18:46

He can piss off then. Not interested until he apologised for himself. Now it’s more than likely he will be apologising/grovelling to his new BFFs because that’s that pattern.

What’s this expression about feeding the cats to the crocodile on the hope that it won’t eat you?

Datun · 09/06/2020 18:46

They're playing women by planting the issue. I've never really looked at it before from the perspective that it's all just been created to manipulate the pay gap.

So this has just clicked for you, right?
Because you understand the gender pay gap and how it works.

So just roll that out into every other single thing that disadvantages women. Or that is not symmetrical.

Men, for instance, commit 98% of all sexually violent crime. Typically you will find 14,000 or so in prison for this.

And 120 women.

Imagine if any, or all, of those men (as they are doing), identified as women and were put in a female prison. Or that the statistics suddenly reflected that even a tiny percentage identified as women. You would double the amount of women who were statistically responsible for sexual crime.

Or any company wanting to tick the diversity box. They could employ six men on the board, and six men who said they were women. They would be ticking the right boxes.

If those men had a GRC, which transactivists are pushing to make just an administration issue, they would be ticking those boxes legally. And you, a woman who was looked over for promotion, in favour of a man, would have fuck all defence.

Legally.

It's not a coincidence that feminists were the first people to notice this. Their analysis of the disadvantages that women suffer is the cornerstone of feminism.

And they can see this with a clarity that is crystal fucking clear.

SophocIestheFox · 09/06/2020 18:49

Man who got famous saying words that a more talented woman wrote decides that some other words that the same talented woman wrote, about women, require him to apologise on behalf of that woman, to people who won’t ever be affected by the woman’s issue the talented woman was referring to.

Well done, Dan. Genius. Simultaneously proving what she was on about, while having missed the point by light years.

notasportymum · 09/06/2020 18:52

man. tick
white. tick
wealthy. tick
middle class. tick
well educated. tick
famous. tick
= I don't give a fuck what he thinks about this either way, frankly.

CaraDune · 09/06/2020 18:52

Or any company wanting to tick the diversity box. They could employ six men on the board, and six men who said they were women. They would be ticking the right boxes.

And the truly fabulous thing (from their perspective) is it would involve hardly any actual change in their lifestyle. Pippa/Philip Bunce (big insurance company in the city, I forget which) comes to work once or twice a week in a dress, did a photospread for a national newspaper in a little pink lace frock (it's what all the female insurance executives who want to be taken seriously in their industry are wearing this season), and hey presto, straight into the FT's "100 top women in business" list for the year.

I wonder if anyone's actually worked out what the minimum number of days you'd have to wear a dress to qualify would be?

TehBewilderness · 09/06/2020 18:53

I wonder why he felt the need to mansplain what a woman is?

Lordfrontpaw · 09/06/2020 18:54

I’d just love to be his girlfriend...🙄

TehBewilderness · 09/06/2020 19:01

Men who apologize to men on behalf of women are effing assholes.
I think when misogynists show the world who they are we should all take the advice of Maya Angelou and believe them.

CaraDune · 09/06/2020 19:02

Men, for instance, commit 98% of all sexually violent crime. Typically you will find 14,000 or so in prison for this.

And 120 women.

And at a conservative estimate (FPFW put the stats together based on official information from all-male prisons only handling sex offenders and from FOI requests, the BBC fact-checked it and found it was the lower bound on the actual number), 48 convicted sex offenders in the male estate now identified as women.

Imagine they all transferred to women's prisons because some soft headed politician actually nodded self ID through (as the SNP seem determined to do in Scotland).

Now imagine the newspaper headlines (worded in accordance with the press code which dictates referring to self-ID-ed transwomen as women/she/her without qualification).

40% jump in women sex offenders in single year!

It's Orwellian. I do not use this description lightly. By taking away the language used to describe biological sex, you can tell any old shitty lie about women as a group, and there will be no source of official information correctly recorded which can be used to correct that lie.

Stats on the gender pay gap, differential rates of offending, poverty, etc... all disappear.

Already in newspaper reports, just about the only handle we have on a lot of reports of sexual offending is the weird historical quirk that unusually in an international context, the UK defines rape as penetration using a penis. So "Karen White, convicted of rape", "Davina Ayrton, convicted of rape," "Escaped rapist Lisa Hauxwell..." - all these news reports are about people with penises. But you'd only know this if you actually knew the legal definition of rape in the UK.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 09/06/2020 19:05

DameFloral, I would pay money to read this.

“ A forefront chapter will be added to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone where Professor Snape asks all students to say their preferred pronouns on the first day of class. Which he goes out of his way not to use. “Miss Longbottom, I think not!”*

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