Just when you think you couldn’t love JK Rowling more...

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She posts this.

conflating sex and gender, which you will see if you read on in the thread

Please quote where she conflates sex and gender. Given that she only tweeted a few times you must be able to do this.

But hey, I don't expect to change anybody's mind, people's views on this seem fairly entrenched.

You will need to present an argument to change anyone's mind.

I suspect a lot of people who haven't really engaged with the issue are probably astonished at what gets called hatred for trans people these days. Wishing them well and saying that sex remains relevant and important is apparently the hate crime of the century.

You'll get no shame-traction here with that kind of crap, tbh.

@BaronessFloralBunting That's my favourite bit of that movie. Totally misses point of thread.

FinnJ77

Great that your dysphoria has eased and you are now more comfortable with yourself but can you, or anyone else who thinks we are all big meanies, explain why you think that because you have an issue with YOUR biology that the 99+% of the population that don't have an issue OR a 'gender identity' must ignore their own biology and change their very words to accommodate you?

Respect your choice? Of course.
Use your chosen name? Sure.

Change my own language and beliefs to fit your narrative? Not a fucking chance in hell.

truth fairy you have literally referenced a thread that claims that sex categories are a colonial imposition.

Are you not reading the threads you are linking?

truth fairy, here is a thread for you

mobile.twitter.com/therestofus5/status/1109526326006800384

"So it appears there are people on twitter who think biology is a white colonial notion imposed upon the rest of the world to make us believe in the "European" notion of male and female. We were all stupid and ignorant before whitey came along. A thread."

Can you explain how she conflates sex with gender?

Because I reckon she's quite an astute woman and knows the difference.

It does make me chuckle when people come on here say random things, don't get the answer they want or get their own way then fling about accusations of hate and hate of trans people.

I don't believe anyone on this board does hate trans people. I've seen a lot of hate and bile on Twitter for the GC's though. People saying that we deserve to die, that we are not human, that we don't get to have opinion, we don't deserve one. I've seen people (including trans people) doxxed, harassed, verbally abuse, threatened with violence, have their accounts deleted, massive abusive pile ons on their time line all because they don't hold the belief that people can change sex. I've never seen that here. Nothing in any way equivalent whatsoever. Yet we are the evil, vile ones.

Dress how you want, call yourself what you want but don't expect others to agree that you can literally become the opposite sex.

Honestly, how can any woman think that sending rapists into women's prisons is a good idea, sterilising children with untested drugs is normal, defunding rape refuges is ethical and telling teenage girls that they must not complain about getting naked in the same space as middle-aged men isn't rapey as fuck???

Rowling is an awful person and an even worse writer

Utter tosh. The millions of books sold indicate thats clearly bullshit. And how on earth can you comment on her personally? Mumsnet isn't Twitter. If you come here at least be able to back up what you post with an arguement.

really astonished at the level of hatred towards trans people on here.

Says the person aligning themselves with men who say they want punch, rape and kill women for saying sex is fucking real.

Listen to yourself ffs.

I cannot believe that on this thread there are people actually saying that they wish lemon drizzle to die. You haters! You have completely invalidated its existence and deserve a sticky end. And that certainly would not be Victoria Sponge. Bigots!

Do consultants actually wheel patients down to surgery in person? Must have been short staffed that day...

I cannot believe that on this thread there are people actually saying that they wish lemon drizzle to die.

I know, I'm still reeling from the revelation that Floral is not head of the Daintylady Bullshit Association.

I know Camper. I'm truly hurt and feel that an immediate apology should be issued and donation made to a Lemon Drizzle lovers charity

@merrymouse In my opinion, she is telling her 14.5 million followers that trans people claim sex isn't real when she must surely know that the vast majority of them are talking about gender. Yes I read the thread thanks, I found it interesting to read another viewpoint, as I said.

I do like the idea of orange drizzle.

But key lime pie is also evil.

I gave citrus issues, clearly

Did I accidentally make a movie reference and not notice? That's very unlike me. Unless Daintylady Bullshit is a little known indie flick (presumably with ripe subtitles).

truthfairy, yes, they are talking about gender and pretending that sex is a spectrum/irrelevant/overridden by gender.

That is the objection. Believe in the innate reality of gender if you want. But sex is what matters in the places in which Transactivists are attempting to say it doesn't.

Is red velvet cake on offer?

[quote truthfairy]@merrymouse In my opinion, she is telling her 14.5 million followers that trans people claim sex isn't real when she must surely know that the vast majority of them are talking about gender. Yes I read the thread thanks, I found it interesting to read another viewpoint, as I said.[/quote]
Oh dear lord. If they're talking about gender, how come they want all the rights based on SEX!!

It doesn't help that "gender" is used to mean (at least) two entirely separate things.

"Gender" - old fashioned social sciences meaning. A technical term of art which roughly corresponds to the lay understanding of sexual stereotype. The set of socially constructed (and culturally relative) norms of behaviour, dress, occupation, pastimes, interests which an individual society deems appropriate to members of each sex.

"Gender" - newer meaning within the trans community. An internal sense of one's own woman-ness, man-ness (sorry, trying to decouple this from "femininity" and "masculinity" which are gender in the social sciences sense) or non-binary-ness.

Most old school feminists like me agree that gender in the social sciences sense is a useful theoretical tool to analyse the political oppression of women - but it isn't rooted in nature.

Many old school feminists, myself included are "gender atheists" regarding gender in the new trans-community sense. We see it as akin to a religious believer's belief in an immortal soul. We can see what they're trying to say, we get that it's deeply important to them to conceptualise the world in this way, we just don't experience it or believe it ourselves.

But biological sex just is. It's part of the natural world. It's a contingent biological fact about me which has no bearing on my personhood, moral worth, political value, intelligence or anything else. It is of no more importance regarding these things than my eye colour. It is however, a contingent biological fact which has been weaponised against me by sexism and misogyny (just as the contingent biological fact of skin colour is weaponised against the BAME community by the weight of colonial history, slavery and racism).

I mean, tell me ANY rights that are based on gender???

I can't believe the hater's on here

Lemon drizzle takes the 👑

@BaronessFloralBunting

Did I accidentally make a movie reference and not notice? That's very unlike me. Unless Daintylady Bullshit is a little known indie flick (presumably with ripe subtitles).

Dainty lady bullshit association is something I made up!