Just when you think you couldn’t love JK Rowling more...

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She posts this.

@GingerAndTheBiscuits

It’s interesting to contrast the reaction here to the social media around BLM. The BLM posts are very much (rightly) about listening to black people’s experiences and white people not centring themselves in the discussion. Why is the same not said for women’s rights? (That’s a rhetorical question!)

And why is a white person who is supporting the movement (the protest in my town was majority white, and look at the footage of people who pulled down the statue) welcomed and called an alley, when people question why someone like Glinner cares.

"Gender discrimination: e.g. catcalling. No one checks the contents of your underwear before catcalling, usually it is feminine presenting people who are targeted"

Hmm. That sounds like victim blaming. Don’t want to get catcalled, don’t dress like a woman.

As the parent of two trans children who also menstruate, I don't really like her message. My children are not girls or women, but they menstruate and have to deal with the issues surrounding that. So yeah, not all women menstruate, and not all those who menstruate are women, but I forgot Mumsnet is rabidly Anti-Trans.

Are you a woman or a menstruator yourself?
Not trying to be argumentative, but what language do you use to describe yourself? Assuming you are their mother not father given your username.

MommaL your children are still biologically girls/women, hence the menstruating. They may choose to present masculine and hope to be perceived that way, it does make them male. Not all women menstruated, all who menstruate are women/girls.

Why are your daughters trans?
Is it because they played with cars and trucks and mud and wore blue jeans? Or because they don't like silly fussing with hair and makeup and making tea? Or because they are assertive and know their minds? Or because they like science and maths? Or is it because they fancy girls?

None of these things make them not women. I was all of those things as a child and now a engineer. I am a woman.

Has anyone got a share token for the Spectator piece?

MommaL I was so glad to find your post. I had to look so hard to find another voice here. It makes me sad.

Clockonthemantlepiece it this really what you think being trans is?

Statistically it must be very rare to have two trans children in one family. That must present all sorts of challenges. I'd be interested to hear more about what led your children to realise/decide they were trans MommaL, and at what age they did so.

@sunshinemode

Clockonthemantlepiece it this really what you think being trans is?

Can you tell us what you think trans is?

When did Mumsnet become a haven for people who hate?

Why are so many posts here celebrating prejudice against people who don't match up to your ideas of what a woman should be like?

Its unbeliveable, Frankly it makes me want to disassociate entirely from this website

Trans issue aside, Rowling is an awful person and an even worse writer

Pro-woman and a healthy disbelief in genderwoo does not equal anti-trans I'm afraid. Why do you believe that JKR is in incorrect in what she says? Only females menstruate, that means women and girls no matter how they identify.

That may upset some but it is the truth.

How is she an awful person? Do you know her personally?

Rowling is an awful person
Do you know her personally?

You deserve a medal for standing up for us. It is thanks to people like you that we are no longer scared of those powerful men in Big Pharma who are running this abominable show

No response from sunshinemode
Why am I not surprised?

people who don't match up to your ideas of what a woman should be like?
What, you mean female?

Christ, here they come.

Imagine the 'audacity' of women talking about female biology on a site called Mumsnet. The fucking heretic bitches.

This thread makes me feel very sad and disappointed in MN.

I’m one of those “people who menstruate”. I was born with female anatomy and a brain (gender) that didn’t match. I’ve undertaken some surgery and hormone treatment to a certain extent to get my brain and body to align. Before you all flame me and say I have various mental issues, have been brainwashed etc....let me explain a little more.

I’m in my forties now. I spent the first 38 years plus of my life struggling with anxiety and depression. I never identified as being a girl/woman. Being forced into wearing a girls uniform used to make me cry and feel physically ill. I hated my chest, couldn’t even look at it. Hated any photo that showed it. If someone referred to me as “she or her” I would always think there was someone stood behind me. Imagine living with that level of disconnect and discomfort every day of your life.

I transitioned to a more neutral place. I don’t identify as male either because that too felt as uncomfortable. I remember talking to my consultant on the way down for surgery and he said that it’s all just science. There is a set order of how a foetus should develop. A pattern of precise hormones that are released at set times, in set quantities. For some though, this order or pattern is interrupted or received differently. The results are intersex, transgender and non binary individuals. It is something as out of control as the colour of our eyes.

Now imagine celebrating and applauding a person who would mock someone for something that happens before they are even born. I suppose you could liken that person to those who are racist, or those who mock disabilities, or even ginger hair.

Yes, trans people choose to do something to take action and do something to ease their discomfort and pain. They don’t however, choose to feel those feelings in the first place.

I wish I had of been born a cis gendered person. I would have saved thousands in therapy costs, not have driven thousands of miles to various appointments, avoided upsetting friends and family members, not had to risk losing people, never faced ridicule and rejection..I would have avoided so much pain. The thing is, being born with a brain and body that didn’t match, was never in my control.

Here I am now. Post transition. A non binary person. The depression and anxiety I experienced my entire life has gone. I no longer feel uncomfortable with my body. I don’t walk hunched over to hide my chest. I don’t have suicidal thoughts anymore.

I am happy.

Yes, it’s still not easy living as a gender non confirming person, but that’s not because of how I am...it’s because of how society is.

How the likes of JK are. And all those who applaud her.

Is it time for afternoon tea yet? Victoria Sponge is my fav

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people who don't match up to your ideas of what a woman should be like?

A human of the sex class that produces large immobile gametes.

(A sheep of the sex class that produces large immobile gametes is a ewe etc)

What’s your non circular “idea” of what a woman is?

I don't understand how people find peace by declaring themselves non binary. What has actually changed, beyond a new label?
I'm a bit confused at your I don't identify as male either, because that too felt as uncomfortable? What actually changes when you refuse to admit you have a biological sex?