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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Just when you think you couldn’t love JK Rowling more...

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Deltoids1 · 06/06/2020 22:57

She posts this.

Just when you think you couldn’t love JK Rowling more...
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CaraDune · 08/06/2020 13:17

"Gender discrimination: e.g. catcalling. No one checks the contents of your underwear before catcalling, usually it is feminine presenting people who are targeted"

So when I got catcalled while wearing jeans, a tshirt and trainers, it was because...

Breasts? - Damn, pesky female anatomy again.
Stature? - Very few penis owners as short as I am.
Width of hips? - Damn that pesky female anatomy yet again.

So, lemme see, to opt out of my sex based oppression, I would have to wear a breast binder, theatrical "lifts" inside a pair of brogues or similar... hips, no, I got nothing there when it comes to disguising those.

Lamahaha · 08/06/2020 13:22

Nope. I did this and was put on a list by some TRA nutter who had joined the group solely to get screenshots and send them to the employers of anyone in the group to try and get them fired! Had to change my FB name and URL to get the fuckers off my back. Luckily I’m self employed so they wouldn’t have been able to get me fired, but could have fucked up my business. They’re cunts. The lot of them.

There are secure ones who check your profile, only allow women, ask you questions etc before letting you in, and also carefully monitoring posts for spies.

SunsetBeetch · 08/06/2020 13:22

The delightful Gabby Edlin from Bloody Good Period is also involved with The Vagina Museum.

www.vaginamuseum.co.uk/about/people

Lamahaha · 08/06/2020 13:26

This time the DM comments are more insightful and all critical of this kid's mutterings. No more "JK has a right to her opinion".

dkl55 · 08/06/2020 13:29

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droppedmycroissant · 08/06/2020 13:30

Not actually sure why i'm posting on here but i've just lost a friend over me saying JK is correct?? She's saying how i'm anti trans? (Not sure where she has got that from) and JK is so insensitive to all the trans community? How do i even respond to that!

Whatsnewpussyhat · 08/06/2020 13:32

Yep, the comments, all in JK's favour have thousands of likes.

This was my favourite

Activist isn't a job. It's a term rich, middle class kids apply to themselves to absolve themselves of perceived guilt.

I also noticed the Tshirt she was wearing in the top pic that says Labia Party (meant to look like Labour party with the rose)
How transphobic of her to promote female body parts.

Campervan69 · 08/06/2020 13:33

www.spectator.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-and-the-road-to-terfdom/amp?__twitter_impression=true

"she is an intelligent women who has taken a careful look at the issue and decided for herself that there is nothing progressive or kind or liberal about a movementthatencourages autistic children to be givenuntesteddrugs. That tells adolescents uncomfortable with their bodies that surgery brings happiness and the alternative is suicide. That tells lesbians they’re bigots if they won’t consider sex with women who have penises. That showers women (and really, it is just women) who question these things with violent and sexualised abuse."

Whatsnewpussyhat · 08/06/2020 13:34

She would also lose most of her Instagram followers and therefore her income if she agreed with her dad.

BringbackLang · 08/06/2020 13:37

I'd ask your friend how exactly is what JKR said was anti-Trans and are they admitting that they are anti-woman @droppedmycroissant Smile

droppedmycroissant · 08/06/2020 13:42

@BringbackLang m insenstive in terms of identity and discourse' ........okGrin also this girl is a 'feminist' ?!? Speachless! I have never described myself as a feminist but i'm reading these boards more and more and finding myself agreeing with you all!

Datun · 08/06/2020 13:42

That article, again, is a little biased. They showed the Tweet that said J. K. Rowling says you're not a real woman unless you menstruate. As if that is actually what she said.

But, yet again, as with every other article that has published this story, the comments are almost unequivocally in support of J. K. Rowling.

You'd have to be mad to think they wouldn't be though.

And yes, a 23-year-old who has been brought up by what I imagine are fairly liberal and equal parents, might not yet understand the impact of rank sexism.

Babbas · 08/06/2020 13:44

I messaged dr Joshua wolrich about his criticism of jk Rowling. He replied that he wasn't prepared to discuss discrimination of trans on the internet and didn't agree with my comments. But
He's perfectly happy to criticise jk and promote tweets calling her a terf on the internet. This from a medical professional. I know he's a dick but honestly i despair at the lack of basic common sense.

BringbackLang · 08/06/2020 13:55

Grinwelcome to the club @droppedmycroissant
It amazes me that these women that claim to be feminists say that we are being insensitive in terms of identity etc but they cannot see the rank hypocrisy in being insensitive to the others opinions. It's very much a case of I am right nothing else matters. For example saying to them don't use Cis as a descriptor as we are not a subset of our sex and it is insulting yet they refuse to even see why it is insulting and carry on doing it.

I had a 'friend' tell me that GC women are t@rfs, that MN was awful and that both sides were was bad as each other. You should have seen her face when I called her out on it and told her never to call women t@rfs in front of me again. She's quite the 'know it all I am right and no one else is' type. But she backed down when I challenged her 'facts.'

merrymouse · 08/06/2020 13:58

So when I got catcalled while wearing jeans, a tshirt and trainers

Women who fail to hide their bodies while doing sport are also presumably making a deliberate choice to present as feminine.

droppedmycroissant · 08/06/2020 14:06

Thanks @BringbackLang i think i may enjoy this club! I'm trying hard to educate myself on all of this! I'm 22 now and shocked i hadn't been bothered about it all before. It's just a bit shit to have 'friends' tell you your opinion is wrong because it isn't the same as theirs but the only way is up i supposeGrin

merrymouse · 08/06/2020 14:11

And yes, a 23-year-old who has been brought up by what I imagine are fairly liberal and equal parents, might not yet understand the impact of rank sexism.

Obv. I have no Idea about JR’s daughter’s life, but a middle class woman of 23 is likely to be doing better than her male peers educationally, and unlikely to know many women who have had babies. They might have experienced catcalls and inappropriate behaviour, but it isn’t too hard to tell yourself that men also experience this. You are likely to have more access to sport than previous generations, and you may feel that your performance is compatible with male peers. You will have been socialised to ‘be kind’. The sexism of the seventies and eighties won’t be part of your lived experience and you won’t remember a time when access to contraception was restricted.

How much easier to pretend that sex is irrelevant. Probably easier not to worry about maternity rights - after all, people might think that you require maternity leave, and that could have career limiting consequences...

pachyderm · 08/06/2020 14:14

Here's more cognitive dissonance. Some of you may have seen "Period. End of Sentence" on Netflix, a short documentary about a group of women in rural India who acquire a machine for producing low-cost sanitary towels. It's a feelgood story because it serves the dual purpose of helping girls and women buy affordable sanitary protection, and providing employment and income to local women.

The documentary was

"the brainchild of an English teacher at the Los Angeles private high school Oakwood School, Melissa Berton, and several of her former students, including Claire Sliney " (Hollywood Reporter)

and when I go to the school website one of the first things I see is this event

stories.oakwoodschool.org/2018/10/voices-envisioned-2018-19/

An event called "Supporting Gender Diverse & Transgender Youth:
A Deeper Look at Gender Dysphoria" featuring speakers like Dr Joanna Olson Kennedy

"Dr. Olson-Kennedy has been providing medical intervention for transgender youth and young adults including puberty suppression and cross sex hormones for the past twelve years."

I mean what.the.fuck. How can you highlight the plight of girls and women in rural India, whose lives have been so curtailed by the stigma around menstruation and lack of sanitary protection, yet invite someone who has been drugging and castrating kids for years to speak at your school? Do they think that if only these Indian girls could move past the boring old periods obstacle, the next thing is to start chopping off their breasts and identifying as men?

I just can't get my head around it.

DickKerrLadies · 08/06/2020 14:25

@Floisme

'When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.' Mark Twain I believe. But people seem to reach maturity a lot later these days.
I was thinking of this quote earlier Smile
AngeloMysterioso · 08/06/2020 14:28

Most people immediately jump to other examples - 'what next, mothers being called people who give birth?' It instantly pisses them off.

Well, quite. I’ve been blocked from my local maternity voices facebook page for objecting to their use of “pregnant people”.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 08/06/2020 14:48

"Educate yourself.... no, not like that!"

Grin
JulesJules · 08/06/2020 15:13

James Kirkup in the Spectator
www.spectator.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-and-the-road-to-terfdom

WendyHoused · 08/06/2020 15:28

Angelo I always liked saying pregnant people - not because anyone other than women get pregnant, obviously. Rather, to stress I’m a person who is pregnant rather than a fucking incubator like so many health professionals treated me.
“Yes, hyperemesis is unpleasant but baby is fine.”
“Don’t worry, you symphisis pubic dysfunction won’t harm the baby.”
I wasn’t worried, I was in pain, and HELLO, still a person. Not just a pregnancy.

Now, however, it’s not about recognising women as people, it’s about erasing us from our own narrative.

Oxyiz · 08/06/2020 15:31

Fucking brilliant article by James there. He's been consistently loud about all this nonsense hasn't he?