Gina Martin not happy women don’t want trans women in their sex segregated spaces

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Gina Martin, who successfully campaigned to make upskirting a crime, has tweeted hat she is not happy that women referenced that particular law in regards M&S changing rooms becoming mixed sex. I suspect she has very woke friends leaning on her to speak out but even so, womens rights are not hers to give away. I wonder what she really thinks about denying teenage girls the right to single sex changing facilities.

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Yup. That’s what they’re saying, these better-than-us women.

They have no idea how absolutely vile they are, do they?

What exactly about a male claiming a trans identity means that he is no longer part of the group 'men' for the purposes of avoiding risk?

Ah, thé $64,000,000 question, Floral!

And yes, OldCrone - how exactly does Gina, among others, know what singles out those men from “actual“ “transwomen“? And does she know how very transphobic she’s being in not including them all under the trans umbrella?

Someone call PC Gul and tell him to check her thinking; somebody doesn’t seem to realise that the mantra is Acceptance without Exception!

The few trans/non-binary people who feel brave enough to ask to use a space they're comfortable in should be allowed to do so.

Such as Karen White, then? Jessica Yaniv? These brave transwomen asked to use a space they were VERY comfortable in.

Assaults that happen have often been found to be cis men saying they identify in order to attack women. So, like with all these things, it's men. Not trans women.

OFGS Gina. Listen to yourself!

Gina Martin has tweeted;
'Fairplay for Women's data has been highly scrutinised by academics for being skewed by assumptions. Assaults that happen have often been found to be by cis men saying they identify in order to attack women. So, like with all these things it's men. Not trans women.'

It is amazing to see the blindness close up. Now Gina that was our point. So given you don't deny it happens how do you tell a 'true' trans person from a man? And before they commit an offence. Hmmm...?

Doh!

From mobile.twitter.com/ginamartinuk/status/1268556526127644678

"Fair play for women's data has been highly scrutinised by academics for being skewed by assumptions. Assaults that happen have often been found to be cis men saying they identify in order to attack women. So, like with all these things, it's men. Not trans women."

Hang on - I thought that men pretending to be trans for nefarious purposes was one of those things that Never Happens?

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And isn't a transwoman any male who says they're a woman? So how can they be pretending? Acceptance without exception, hmmm?

All what Michello said much better than I could have

How can a woman who totally understood women's vulnerability to men's obsessions, now be so totally blind to men's obsessions?

Yup, like I said, TW are apparently secular saints.

Great, Gina! You're nearly there! I agree, we want to make sure that those nasty cis men who are just PRETENDING to be transwomen don't access women's single sex spaces. So just one more question - how can we tell the difference?

If she admits self Id is a problem they will turn on her.

I see she justies it by comparing it to discrimination against black and gay people. Nope

This is always the go to they use to justify why they think a heterosexual adult male is somehow now the most oppressed person on the planet.

Another circular argument which I also heard on the radio -TW are not a threat and if they do commit male on female crimes then they are not TW and therefore TW are not a threat.

And again - no mention of dignity or privacy or women and girls - who cares about that.

Yes, it is MEN who are the problem. Regardless of their personalities/grooming habits/dress sense/inner identity/religion.

I've always felt that a big part of it is that kids for a number of years now receive a lot of educational content to the effect that it is discriminatory or racist to use the habits or tendencies of a group to make predictions or any kind of judgement at all about individuals.

It's been a talking point in progressive circles, things like racial profiling of terrorists etc, for 25 years, with progressives coming down pretty hard against people who would say its ok. But typically you see this going beyond them saying this is not ok - typically they also deny that it works.

Anyone who has worked in the police, or certain parts of the military, or for that matter in marketing or many other sectors, knows this is false. You can make predictions based on group category profiles and they are often very effective ways of making decisions or focusing effort. And that also means you can even improve your predictions about individuals to some extent, so long as you realise that you could also be completely and totally wrong about the individual.

Noe of that means it's moral to treat people on that basis, that's a different question. But for some reason, the ideas have collapsed - unethical and untrue have the same value.

I suspect this habit of thinking has a big part to play when people think about women's safety.

Absolutely, Goosefoot. And we've been telling the last couple of generations of children that they can be anything they want, and that what they want for themselves of far more important than anything we might want for them. Absolutely wonderful aspirations, but it never occurred to any of us that it would taken beyond the realm of ambition and into the realm of fantasy.

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Yea, sure that happened dude ;)

The word 'comfortable' needs unpacking, because it's covering a whole lot of problems.

Safer than in the men's facilities? That's a whole can of worms there.
More able to express their true selves? That's great, but that can surely be achieved without having to crap on the entire female half of the human race and remove all privacy from them while excluding the ones unable to conform to male choices and desires like good girls?

And it cannot be handwaved away that for many males choosing to cross dress or use female spaces, as any amount of online evidence shows, 'comfortable' means sexual enjoyment, using non consenting females as props, and for some of those males enjoyment will also come from invading female boundaries, doing something 'thrilling', seeing females uncomfortable and enjoying that power and control, and intentionally pushing female boundaries.

Fuck that. I am not living in a country where to be unlucky enough to be born with female biology means you're compelled by law to be used by any male who wants a thrill, and to be 'kind' about it. There is no way this can be justified unless you are very clear in your own mind that there exists a hierarchy of sexes, you know exactly who is which sex, and that males are above females.

It is not brave, nor stunning, nor even basically decent, for males who identify as women to therefore expect to dominate and remove rights and spaces from women without interest or care for those women. It makes the whole 'identify' thing sound extremely shallow.

The same can be said for trans people. Just like any other type of person, most of them aren't sex offenders, so tarring them all with that brush is unfair.

I think the point that transwoman offenders occur at the same rates as other male populations has been made here many times. If you think feminists are saying all trans people are sex offenders, I'm afraid you have misunderstood.

ChangeName49 may I ask why you think sex-segregated changing rooms, toilets, domestic violence shelters, sports etc came about in the first place?