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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling threatening legal action

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TheLashKingOfScotland · 29/05/2020 16:52

A TRA and Canadian Green Party rep has made libellous comments about JK regarding her position on trans rights and her suitability to be trusted around children.
JK asked her to retract them or they would hear from JK's lawyers. Currently they are digging in. Seemingly unaware that JK has pursued legal cases based on Twitter comments before and that it isn't acceptable to make unfounded statements about people.
It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
It could have wider reaching consequences if certain sectors see they can't just make unfounded accusations any more.

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TyroSaysMeow · 05/06/2020 15:38

I lose track, HoneyBadger. I think it's allowed if we're speaking generally rather than about a specific individual who might sue.

Personally I tend to say "male trans people" and hope like hell the construction makes it obvious that it means people who meet the terms of both the descriptors. But doubtless sooner or later people will complain, because the ultimate underlying sin is acknowledging which reproductive sex class an individual belongs to.

ArranUpsideDown · 05/06/2020 17:08

acronym stands for in a staff meeting and nobody even knows despite bandying it about

In a meeting today where different parties were using MDS - one meant it as monitored dosage system and the other as minimum data set.

But agreed on the lack of understanding of terms because most people can't conceive of something so absurd as the present reality in some cases (like the general topic under discussion here). And this is where I could go into another digression on language as a coercive control device for totalitarianism etc. but I shan't.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 05/06/2020 17:31

I find myself using XX and XY. Or is that banned as well?

ProfessorSlocombe · 05/06/2020 17:35

I find myself using XX and XY. Or is that banned as well?

Isn't that a bit exclusionary ? What about XYY ?

TyroSaysMeow · 05/06/2020 17:47

And this is where I could go into another digression on language as a coercive control device for totalitarianism etc. but I shan't.

Oh, please do! It's a topic that very much falls under feminism's remit after all.

SunsetBeetch · 05/06/2020 17:49

Scumbag.

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AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 05/06/2020 18:05

But one with such eloquence ... Hmm

SunsetBeetch · 05/06/2020 21:19

This is so fucking mental, I feel like I'm losing my mind. The person who attacked 61-year old Maria MacLachlan is training as a Thai boxer and plans to “have an amateur career fighting women in the UK and then fight men in Thailand"

SunsetBeetch · 05/06/2020 21:21

Sorry, posted before I typed the whole thing - Glinner tweeted about this article:

twitter.com/Glinner/status/1268960148493664256?s=19

"This is so fucking mental, I feel like I'm losing my mind. The person who attacked 61-year old Maria MacLachlan is training as a Thai boxer and plans to “have an amateur career fighting women in the UK and then fight men in Thailand" "

twitter.com/RossVodt/status/1268946022371217408?s=19

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 05/06/2020 22:16

Fighting women? This is indeed, so fucking mental.

At least Wolf is off the drugs now, thank heaven for small mercies, eh?

'“One thing I noticed about Nong Toom’s Gym is that everyone is lifting each other up and complimenting each other on their improvements”, she smiled.“I wonder if that’s because the gym is mostly women.”'

Aye.

TehBewilderness · 06/06/2020 00:17

Jo Rowling pissed me off when she made Hermione denigrate her own cleverness.

Datun · 06/06/2020 01:15

Oh dear, wolf does not sound well.

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DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 06/06/2020 01:28

Theories or ideas about the world don't fit together and never are integrated. You use whole different language sets for different topics.

I think this is true. You have the likes of Trump destabilising reality by telling bare-faced lies about things people can see with their own eyes.

And so much information that it’s hard to make sense of it, particularly when it’s available without nuance, in the way, for example, the media reports science.

And most people, I think, are so busy with their own lives, they’re not interested in parsing ambiguity or analysing competing narratives to uncover something more complex. On social media they want to seem kind and aware and not have to engage too deeply.

There are also deeply embedded lies which have been told so often we believe them - even if they’re entirely fictitious. Having to constantly check what you think you know, against reality and falling down a rabbit hole of complexities is exhausting.

We’re trained for five second sound bites, click bait headlines and assertions of absolute certainty from authorities.

What happens then is that we start to believe our own memes and slogans and then translating them directly into policy.

Here’s an example. The slogan, “A dog is for life, not just for Christmas”, came into being as a fundraising slogan for the Dog’s Trust some 30 years ago. It was coined one night over a glass of wine.

There was no research behind its assumption that puppies adopted at Christmas would be back at the pound in February when the novelty wore off. Subsequent research in fact shows that this doesn’t happen. But shelter policy decisions, not only in the UK, but the US and Australia, prevented pet adoptions at Christmas for decades. People still trot it out because it feeds into their own dark assumptions about other people and because people with authority are saying it.

Once an idea, however false, is embedded in public consciousness and policy, attempting to change it, even with good evidence, causes outrage. There’s an awful lot of powerful government legislation based on nothing but supposition it’s something someone thought was a good idea on a Friday afternoon.

So if TWAW is repeated enough times and people start to believe it, and government policy supports the idea, that false narrative creates its own reality. We have to keep standing up for reality, even if we feel like we’re saying the same things over and over.

Datun · 06/06/2020 01:38

There was no research behind its assumption that puppies adopted at Christmas would be back at the pound in February when the novelty wore off. Subsequent research in fact shows that this doesn’t happen.

Well, I'll be damned. I always thought it was true and loads of puppies were homeless by February.

MoleSmokes · 06/06/2020 03:48

Some wonderful replies to that ludicrous challenge to JK Rowling by Wolf Grin

"Oi JK rowling ow about you meet me outside! Hyde park! Lets fucking have it you cunt!"

archive.is/TDH5p

How could anyone possibly think that Wolf is a male thug with a sick sense of humour? Just exactly the decent sort of person intent on "living quietly as a woman" whom Mhairi Black invites to "pee next to me".

FannyCann · 06/06/2020 07:11

"Oi, Tara, looks like your testosterone levels are out of control".
Brilliant. Grin

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 06/06/2020 07:38

In addition to Tara's obvious issues with women there's something deeply racist about that "I'll fight women in the UK and then men in Thailand" comment.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 06/06/2020 08:30

I took that particular remark to mean that Wolf would have to abide by different rules on MMA fights in different jurisdictions, i.e. women in the UK but men in Thailand. It goes without saying that it's a huge red flag that a male-born person with a criminal record for assault on a woman wants to get in the ring and fight with females where possible. Wolf seemed dismissive of concerns about the time Fallon Fox (another transwoman) fractured the skull of a female opponent.

The thing that jumped out to me here was who's funding all this? The article says Wolf has been in London on and off since the age of 20, and is now 28. I seem to recall that one of Wolf's concerns after the Hyde Park assault was losing a job with a delivery company. That kind of work might generate enough cash for life in a squat in London, but not for a lengthy jaunt to Thailand and training costs. Clear also from the article that Wolf has had substance abuse issues. Where did the money come from for drugs?

undertheropes.com/2020/02/02/british-trans-fighter-tara-wolf-has-first-fight-under-tutelage-of-nong-toom/

AnyOldPrion · 06/06/2020 08:31

In line with the suggestion we should repeal the GRA, rather than fight self-ID, I propose a push for a return to plain English that removes all Newspeak.

I no longer use any words that include Newspeak terminology. So no use of “trans” no use of “identify”.

Woman who claims to be a man.
Man who claims to be a woman.

Woman who says she is a man.
Man who says he is a woman.

Woman who claims she feels like a man.

That is the reality of the situation.

JellySlice · 06/06/2020 08:34

The subtext to that remark is "I'll do as I please".

That person is taller than most females here and taller than most males in Thailand.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 06/06/2020 09:03

Its ridiculous that the testosterone level is still set at 10

I mean the whole thing is ridiculous obviously

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