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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling threatening legal action

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TheLashKingOfScotland · 29/05/2020 16:52

A TRA and Canadian Green Party rep has made libellous comments about JK regarding her position on trans rights and her suitability to be trusted around children.
JK asked her to retract them or they would hear from JK's lawyers. Currently they are digging in. Seemingly unaware that JK has pursued legal cases based on Twitter comments before and that it isn't acceptable to make unfounded statements about people.
It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
It could have wider reaching consequences if certain sectors see they can't just make unfounded accusations any more.

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Mermoose · 04/06/2020 14:38

I'm not sure why being kind would be lumped in with being a push-over. The kindest people I've ever met were very far from push-overs. In fact I would say their kindness came out of a very strong sense of their own place.

I think it's because, lately, when people say 'Be kind' to gender critical women, they mean 'Shut up and don't question this and stop bringing up examples of how trans rights conflict with your rights'.
But I agree, we should reclaim kindness. It's a good quality in a person.

Goosefoot · 04/06/2020 14:45

Yes, of course it's a reaction, but it's a false understanding of what kindness is in the first place.

More than a good quality, I think it gives a kind of insight into problems and solutions that is important.

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 14:47

I will opt for clever, kind and electric fenced boundaries

BlueBooby · 04/06/2020 14:49

@Bananabixfloof

Honestly I read some of the replies and realise I am thick as two short planks. I have to read over and over to understand whatever is being said. And of course you are all so damn clever. Damn you all. 'Shakes fist at the unfairness'
I feel the same. I've never met people who talk about things like I read on here or use this kind of language. I have to Google a lot. It can be a bit daunting to try and join in the conversations but I enjoy reading them.
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/06/2020 14:51

I like to think of my "no uninvited cock in spaces where I may be undressed" boundary as a moat with sharks in.

Aesopfable · 04/06/2020 15:02

In terms of ‘cleverness’ for a lot of these discussions it is not about being clever or not, it is about understanding the language being used. If you understand the language then you can take part in the conversation, if you don’t you can’t. But once you understand the language then you may quickly realise what is being said is very far from clever (I am not casting aspersions on posters on this thread). A case in point is gender theory stuff - full of language that seems very clever with lots of long words purposely designed to obscure meaning but actually not clever at all.

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 15:10

The biggest trick I found is to shout out and ask for explanations of things you haven’t encountered. Usually when I do several others will be going thank fuck someone asked and it’s not just me that flew straight over.

I have had long breaks out of my profession and return to find people talking in code. I have to be the annoying one going sorry to interrupt but what does x mean. After a day of code I once said sorry to be dim but what do you mean by runways? Confused faces and then someone said I think you mean flightpaths Blush

Grin at shark infested moats for uninvited penis’

BaronessFloralBunting · 04/06/2020 15:18

Just in case anyone is thinking that just cos I'm an aspiring Baroness, I'm like, reet clever; I'm just someone with an interest in linguistic and political analysis, some significant life experience with abusive cult situations and extreme religions, and a B grade A-level in English Literature.

I have been known to be kind, too. But mostly I'm just bloody hilarious.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 04/06/2020 15:23

I love your posts @BaronessFloralBunting Grin

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 15:24

Ha and just in case anyone thinks I’m a psycho animal that fearlessly/foolishly takes on poisonous or otherwise deadly creatures or those twice it’s size-I am but only when it’s essential

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/06/2020 15:25

Whereas I actually am an amalgamation of many kittens, like a really cute version of Voltron.

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 15:26

DS and I decided the honey badger is our emblem and our motto is ‘never surrender’. Haven’t had the crest made yet.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/06/2020 15:31

umquam dediti - amisso et ipse (Says google translate)

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 15:31

Hmm that evil bitch in HP liked kittens

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 15:34

Ha! Will tell ds if he ever gets out of bed. He’s slipped back round to being nocturnal

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/06/2020 15:34

I will opt for clever, kind and electric fenced boundaries

I like to think of my "no uninvited cock in spaces where I may be undressed" boundary as a moat with sharks in.

Mine is one of those motion sensitive infrared light boundaries, where if you try to sneak in it triggers flashing lights, an ear splittingly loud alarm and a huge red flag drops from the ceiling.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 04/06/2020 15:34

Hogwarts' motto is "never tickle a sleeping dragon". I feel that could be quite apt for the current situation. Never antagonise tickle a sleeping really rich and not to be fucked with author.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 04/06/2020 15:37

I know she won't, because why bother, but every time a TRA says "she can't sue us all" I think "you know, she probably could".

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 15:39

I love how we looped back to HP Smile

Boundaries such as we’re describing tend to be hard won and unlikely to tolerate trespass again. Except when we fall asleep but it tends to be a short nap ime

nauticant · 04/06/2020 16:50

Sometimes it looks like Brave New World will be the most prophetic of the dystopian futures mentioned on this thread ThumbWitchesAbroad.

Lordfrontpaw · 04/06/2020 17:09

nihil pene in invitis spiritus spatia ibi non potest vestes

TyroSaysMeow · 04/06/2020 17:22

I'd rather be kind than clever.

Yes, I sometimes think I would too.

Because being seen as "clever" has been a major source of interpersonal strife throughout my life to date.

You'd be amazed how many people - from seven year olds to fully grown adults - think it's acceptable to denigrate and abuse adults and children for the crime of having above-average intellectual capacities.

(One of my favourite things about FWR and MN is that we get to make book references without getting shit for it. Usually.)

As for the books: I'm with Kittens on Animal Farm, having also been raised by lefties. Didn't enjoy 1984; I get why the prose is bleak but by gods it was a drag.

JellySlice · 04/06/2020 17:28

nihil pene in invitis spiritus spatia ibi non potest vestes

No uninvited dicks in spaces where I'm not wearing clothes?

(A bit of guesswork - 3 years of Latin, 40 years ago!)

ProfessorSlocombe · 04/06/2020 17:29

Didn't enjoy 1984; I get why the prose is bleak but by gods it was a drag.

Seems this thread is my people then Grin

1984 is an absolutely brilliant book in terms of the story and breadth (and depth of vision). But by God is the prose leaden. It may have been a stylistic decision, but it does sometimes get in the way (another PS personal comment not intended to speak for anyone else but me, just in case).

Now A Clockwork Orange ...

TheHoneyBadger · 04/06/2020 17:32

I’ve never read a clockwork orange. Should I?