Hungary votes to end legal recognition of transgender people

[Lamahaha]

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The amendment would recognize “sex at birth,” making it impossible to change ones gender throughout the course of their life.

On the proposed draft law, Human Rights Watch wrote:

The proposed amendment to the Registry Act would include a clarification regarding the word “nem,” which in Hungarian can mean both “sex” and “gender,” to specifically refer to the sex at birth (“szuletesi nem”) as “biological sex based on primary sex characteristics and chromosomes.” According to the draft bill, the birth sex, once recorded, cannot be amended.

It's the correct vote, but this government is otherwise authoritarian, neo-fascist, against minorities, pretty awful.


Apparently the TRA's are already planning a legal challenge in the European Court of Human Rights on the basis that the new law violates European human rights case law...

[Whatsnewpussyhat]

Yet it's ok for all female rights to be stripped away by a minority?

[SarahTancredi]

What about the right to be found safe and well lemonade ? Instead of losing valuable time because well meaning members of the public are taking no notice of the wrong half of the people they see out and about.

What about the right to receive the correct medical dx and treatment?

What about the right to be called for appropriate cervix/prostate screening

[LemonadeAndDaisyChains]

Why are trans women a threat though?
I can't get on board with all biologically born men are threats.
Maybe that's where we differ.
It;s discriminatory, where others see it as fine and normal.

[GoatyGoatyMingeMinge]

Yet it's ok for all female rights to be stripped away by a minority?

No

[Whatsnewpussyhat]

I can't get on board with all biologically born men are threats

Of course they aren't, but when 98% of all violent and sexual crimes are committed by males, they are our biggest threat. Which is why females have the right to privacy, dignity and safety away from ALL males.

[LemonadeAndDaisyChains]

Not RTHT but if you think a potential totalitarian regime is good for anyone have fun enjoying that victory

Exactly
Can't see how it's a good thing but seems like we're in the minority

[Whatsnewpussyhat]

Them claiming womanhood does not decrease that risk

[ShinyFootball]

It's discriminatory for women to feel men are a potential threat?

Society tells women and girls to be cautious of men. All the time. When things bad happen the question is usually, why wasn't she more careful?

How is this disconnect supposed to work then?

We should be wary but at the same time it's discrimination to feel that way?

I suppose for men this is a real win/ win. If a woman doesn't go back for a drink after the pub with 4 men she doesn't really know, when she would if they were women, it's discrimination. Which we all know is a terrible thing. She's as bad as a racist.

If she goes and things go bad, it's her fault.

Hmmmmm.

[GoatyGoatyMingeMinge]

Not RTHT but if you think a potential totalitarian regime is good for anyone have fun enjoying that victory

I think posters supporting this must know at some level they are being a little bit ridiculous

[LemonadeAndDaisyChains]

but when 98% of all violent and sexual crimes are committed by males, they are our biggest threat

Which to get on board with that point, you have to start off with a belief that as a woman all males are a danger.

[LemonadeAndDaisyChains]

If a woman doesn't go back for a drink after the pub with 4 men she doesn't really know, when she would if they were women, it's discrimination. Which we all know is a terrible thing. She's as bad as a racist

WTF lol, maybe it's just me but I don't go back to anyone's house I don't know. Whether it's 4 men or 4 women.
As in, I don't know any of them.

[ShinyFootball]

According to stonewall definition most people in the UK are trans. And definitely most GC women. So how does that work?

Also, this angle that people who are GC are religious fundamentalist right wingers is old now. Most GC women are total lefties. At least the ones who post on here. A fresh approach is needed. I look forward to seeing what it is.

[NotBadConsidering]

Lemonade

Can you explain how you would differentiate between the males who identify as trans who aren’t a threat, the males who identify who are a threat - people like Katie Dolatowski, Karen White, any of the people on this twitter thread mobile.twitter.com/historywoman/status/1191453438825181186 - and those males who might see an opportunity to say they are trans to access female spaces, for example those men who hide in crawl spaces, place hidden cameras etc.

[Whatsnewpussyhat]

Which to get on board with that point, you have to start off with a belief that as a woman all males are a danger

No you don't you look at the facts put measures in place to protect from the few who are a danger. Like sex segregated spaces.

[WhatOnFuckingEarth]

@OldCrone let’s be real here. A man who has had estrogen treatment (of which has sterilised him, one the things gender critical feminists are always quick to mention when it comes to kids) who have also had genital surgery, ARE NOT ABOUT TO RAPE YOU. You’ll find that’s called paranoia. Think of all the trans women and the amount of rape cases. They would be more at risk in a men’s bathroom. However, this is not the bathroom debate. A genuine trans person experiences gender dysphoria - distress at their birth sex. It must be a genuinely challenging condition and it’s unfair to strip away the rights of being able to change gender and name on official documents. How does a woman being called David in Hungary detriment your life in any way? A ftm his name doesn’t necessarily mean he will use the men’s facilities for example.

[NotBadConsidering]

WhatOnFuckingEarth

Can you explain how a woman in a bathroom is meant to tell if a transwoman is on oestrogen and is nice and placid as a result, as opposed to a transwoman like in this thread?

mobile.twitter.com/historywoman/status/1191453438825181186

What is “genuine trans” and what isn’t, and how does one tell the difference when a male walks into the toilets?

[NonnyMouse1337]

If males rape males in male toilets, the solution is to allow males to enter female toilets? How bizarre. Can you teach us this superpower you have that enables you to tell which males are rapists when they enter female toilets?

[nauticant]

A genuine trans person experiences gender dysphoria

Would you say that someone who says they're trans and doesn't have gender dysphoria isn't actually a genuine trans person?

[mummmy2017]

The toilet thing is just about a penis being in the room.
A person who doesn't like their own penis doesn't want to be in a room where they are with other penis owners.
But refuses to see that non penis owners do not want a penis of over a certain age in their room.
Oh and a school should never mix the groups of penis and non penis for any reason.
How is this not double standards?

[OldCrone]

@WhatOnFuckingEarth
95% of men who claim to be trans have a penis and have no intention of losing it. Many of these men are fetishists who are sexually aroused by the thought of themselves as women.

Oestrogen treatment does not sterilise men. The concern about sterilisation of children is that if they do not go through puberty they will never mature sexually. This doesn't apply to middle aged men who have already fathered children.

If men are violent to feminine presenting men, why do you think this is anything to do with women?

I don't care what name anyone has, but people can't change sex.

I'd also like to know how you distinguish between 'genuine trans' and fetishists and opportunists.

[WhatOnFuckingEarth]

@oldcrone if you don’t care what name somebody has, then why celebrate this act in Hungary. Why does it matter if you can’t change sex, trans people (rightly or wrongly) feel distress in their birth sex and should have the option to have their name etc. changed on official records.

[WhatOnFuckingEarth]

@nauticant yes, that’s what I said

[WhatOnFuckingEarth]

@NotBadConsidering the majority of trans women are not rapists, that is scaremongering. Just because a select few rape, doesn’t mean everyone does, it’s just as possible for a woman to sexually assault another woman, possibly even more likely. The risk is very low.

[NotBadConsidering]

Stonewall would call you transphobic then.

So how do you tell the difference between the people you think are “genuine trans” and those who just identify as such without dysphoria?