Trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed” the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says

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Couldn't resist posting this quote from a PN article. As usual the total purple prose listing the anguish of trans peope because of a factual statement by Liz Truss is beyond parody.

" ... This week, Truss was slammed for comments about the “protection of single-sex spaces for women and girls”, which she said she would say more about when she publishes the government’s plans for GRA reform this summer.

Single-sex spaces are protected under the Equality Act 2010, and the Tories were clear when they set out plans for GRA reform in 2018 that they were “not proposing any amendments to the Equality Act 2010″.

This potential meddling with trans people’s ability to use the single-sex spaces that correspond with their gender identity has meant the trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed”, the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says. ... "

So effectively they are saying they know that the right to single sex services means that trans do not qualify.

Although as we know so many organisation have given in to trans activism to claim that it does.

So it seems a straight forward statement by Liz Truss plus the ongoing challenges from Baroness Nicholson on the way the EA has been misrepresented has got them all rattled.

But sad to say (though no surprise) Labour is saying the EA should be changed to make gender identity the same as sex:

" ... And Labour’s shadow minister for women and equalities, Marsha de Cordova, told PinkNews that the government “must protect the rights of the trans community in its response to its consultation on the Gender Recognition Act”.

“It is important that this government does not interfere with protections under the Equality Act, which ensure that trans people are not wrongfully excluded from single-sex spaces,” Cordova said. ... "

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/21/dear-liz-truss-trans-gender-recognition-act-reform-equality-letter-writing-campaign/

They say on the Dear Liz website that they want to shine a light on the proposed changes to the GRA. Well I hope they achieve that, let’s see how far they get! The general public do not support any Tom, Dick or Harry accessing women’s spaces, they just aren’t aware that it is happening yet. It’s been a long time coming but I really think this house of cards is tumbling down finally.

I'm amazed that I feel this. I've been a leftie my whole life, raised by lefties, surrounded by nothing but lefties.

My father was a bloody Marxist !!! I was raised to embrace leftist policies. It's in my blood I'm from a very left-leaning political family (in my home country). My uncle went to prison for his radical (anti colonial) activism. But the older I get, the more conservative with a small c.

But, which rights are the trans community lacking? Apart from having MY rights, I mean.

We have equality in law. If people of any minority group are discriminated against or treated less favourably than any other group there is a legal recourse.

I can tell the difference between a female practitioner conducting my smear test and a male in a push up bra. I want a female for intimate health procedures and it is my right, as provided in law. That is my right, and I am not scared that it has been removed, I'm fucking raging.

Dangerous precedent. If allowed to happen, this government can then use this case as a precedent to target other groups and strip away their rights

Women’s rights? Did they mention those?

I mean, perhaps it is an effective strategy. I don't know.

It seems to have been effective up to a point, possibly because people were so confused by the combination of aggression and insistence that the person being aggressive was the one being threatened and harmed. Thing is, after a while the initial WTF is going on response wears off and the analysis of the behavior kicks in. The public seems to be reaching that stage.

On Fundamental Rights:

UN Declaration, Article 6: Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

ECHR, Article 15: "The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status."

Them's your rights.

We have equality in law. If people of any minority group are discriminated against or treated less favourably than any other group there is a legal recourse

This us precisely why they hide behind the LGB. Because no one wants to appear homophobic and it's a good way to avoid having to answer questions. Gay people never ever demanded we re name ourselves , they never threatened to hurt themselves , and they didnt demand anything that affected anyone else in anyway. If your marriage is somehow do fragile that two men getting married invalidated it then that's not on the two men doing something perfectly normal like marrying the person they love .

It's no ones legal right to expose themselves to unconsenting members of the opposite sex. Its nothing like gay rights at all.

They have never answered what rights they are lacking. My eyes are my eyes. You cant compel me to see you any differently to how I do. Nor do you have a right to the words that come out of my mouth or to be naked amongst me or my children.

....cont'd:

So it's down to that 'other status' on the end they could argue they are being discriminated against.

How the hell is not being able to access single sex spaces of the opposite sex to yourself, denial of human rights? Can someone please explain? Because I'm pretty bloody sure that a quick google of "denial of human rights" will throw up some pretty awful stuff whose victims will happily swop for this one.

Why are men who demand to share an enclosed space with girls like my 12 year old DD, possibly alone, prone to such drama?

I think the manipulated victim based language works because a lot of 'woke' people want to be seen to be compassionate, and doing the right thing - they want to be seen to be nice. Normally by mens standards. No one wants someone to be fearful.

Unfortunately like many people they dont give a shit about womens rights. Women are an easy target, its easy to prove that actually its okay to hate women because they are evil terfs. Its a good way to get your own way, demonstrate hoe evil an already hated group is and show how they have victimised you.

I think the fear of being seen as not woke is greater than the desire to actuallt be 'woke'

Nothing screams louder than a TW's self entitlement to fuck over women.

You'd think an innate female self might actually empathise with women rather than seek to remove their rights but no....because even they don't really believe TWAW - they believe TW are extra special "women" who deserve more rights than their biological counterparts.

I think the fear of being seen as not woke is greater than the desire to actuallt be 'woke'

100%

I can tell the difference between a female practitioner conducting my smear test and a male in a push up bra. I want a female for intimate health procedures and it is my right, as provided in law. That is my right, and I am not scared that it has been removed, I'm fucking raging.

Hear fucking hear.

Uncle spot on

I do agree, though, that this campaign will be great for the general public to hear about.

The more people that are informed as to what exactly TRAs want. It's pretty clear - access to whichever single sex space they fancy, and children being given puberty blockers and hormones.

Amazing, really, that it's been laid out so clearly.

Good luck, Dear Liz! Let's hope your campaign reaches as many people as possible!

Well it's honest about the basic facts.

Trans 'rights' are purely and simply the right to erase female humans and take away their single sex spaces.

And yes, everyone please take note of the 'regardless of the law, the needs of anyone else and the impact on anyone else, I'll do what I want and you can't stop me' toddler behaviour that underpins it all.

They're demonstrating clearly to the baroness and via her to many of those who managed to avoid listening to women, precisely how awful this behaviour is and how utterly unreasonable the demands.

Third spaces. Third ways that respect and leave single sex spaces in peace instead of forcibly claiming them. Ways that respect EVERYONE. Crack on with that. The right to erase and stomp all over females? If you can't be happy or safe without that particular right then the answer is a good therapist, get a fucking grip.

I can tell the difference between a female practitioner conducting my smear test and a male in a push up bra. I want a female for intimate health procedures and it is my right, as provided in law. That is my right, and I am not scared that it has been removed, I'm fucking raging.

This.

Plus how dare it be actually sneaking sideways into law that I am compelled to pretend not to know for the sake of someone else against my own needs and interests?

Not a service human. Not everybody's mummy.

'Beyond terrified' What, so their fine then. Great.

One question -

All these transwomen are scared and 'beyond terrified' to have to use, I presume, mens' toilets?

Why is that? Are they implying men are violent, or something?

It really starts to become funny when stopping to consider the needs of female people is 'beyond terrifying' to this political lobby.

I'm increasingly visualising this lobby as Salome, demanding female humans sacrificed to them on a plate. With less dancing and a lot more screaming and throwing of toys.

So I’m not from around FWR, and when I noticed it, and I read the other side to check you out, their side made a really big, big thing about how phobic you all were and a really big thing about the Gender Recognition Act had nothing to do with single sex spaces. And you were just hateful to link the two issues. Because they weren’t related at all.
And now there is a letter writing campaign that says “I am currently scared that your plans for updates to the Gender Recognition Act would restrict me from accessing these; and other facilities”
Semicolon in the original.

Yeah OneEpisode, that'll be the disingenuousness. Or hypocrisy, or deceit. Take your pick.

Datun, I did read them a lot. They have double good untruth and “feelings”.

Yep. It never stops being true that reading the position of transactivists is what makes people gender critical.

They're not called Sherpas for nothing.

I like to change when swimming, in female only changing rooms. If a trans person had had the operation and no longer has a penis I can cope with that, but no penis's in female changing rooms please. If a trans person still has a penis they do not belong in female changing area.

99 per cent of the population should not be made to feel uncomfortable to accommodate 1 per cent.