Trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed” the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says

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Couldn't resist posting this quote from a PN article. As usual the total purple prose listing the anguish of trans peope because of a factual statement by Liz Truss is beyond parody.

" ... This week, Truss was slammed for comments about the “protection of single-sex spaces for women and girls”, which she said she would say more about when she publishes the government’s plans for GRA reform this summer.

Single-sex spaces are protected under the Equality Act 2010, and the Tories were clear when they set out plans for GRA reform in 2018 that they were “not proposing any amendments to the Equality Act 2010″.

This potential meddling with trans people’s ability to use the single-sex spaces that correspond with their gender identity has meant the trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed”, the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says. ... "

So effectively they are saying they know that the right to single sex services means that trans do not qualify.

Although as we know so many organisation have given in to trans activism to claim that it does.

So it seems a straight forward statement by Liz Truss plus the ongoing challenges from Baroness Nicholson on the way the EA has been misrepresented has got them all rattled.

But sad to say (though no surprise) Labour is saying the EA should be changed to make gender identity the same as sex:

" ... And Labour’s shadow minister for women and equalities, Marsha de Cordova, told PinkNews that the government “must protect the rights of the trans community in its response to its consultation on the Gender Recognition Act”.

“It is important that this government does not interfere with protections under the Equality Act, which ensure that trans people are not wrongfully excluded from single-sex spaces,” Cordova said. ... "

www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/05/21/dear-liz-truss-trans-gender-recognition-act-reform-equality-letter-writing-campaign/

More gumf

Liz Truss has also spoken about her wish to prevent young people, those under the age of 18, being able to access medication and treatment relating to being transgender. On the whole, the main attention is on the use of puberty blocking drugs, however it seems that the government plans to possibly include access to all medical intervention treatment for young trans people, which will leave thousands of young people unable to get the correct treatment and forcing them to go through a terrible puberty process which will have lasting and extremely damaging consequences. The vast vast majority of the UK and global medical community support the use of these drugs and this form of treatment and the government is basing is decisions on political ideology and nothing else. The precedent set by this legislation being passed is horrifying to say the least as it paves the way for any government to ban medical treatment of any kind based on nothing more than political ideology

Dangerous precedent.If allowed to happen, this government can then use this case as a precedent to target other groups and strip away their rights. What is next on the hit list for ideological right wing government? Abortion, access to birth control, Gay rights

First under 18s probably shouldnt be taking drugs that do so much damage.
Puberty is not terrible, it literally is supposed to happen to us all.
The vast majority once told the implications of these drugs are not supportive.
Governments can and do ban medical treatments liverpool pathway? Thailands laws changed because a child had treatment unsuitable.

As for precedents, if it's not taking from any other group then likely no government is going to mess with it. And if they do one crosses that bridge then.

I've looked at that dearliz website. I can't find anywhere on it that says who the author is.

Anyone?

Single-sex spaces are protected under the Equality Act 2010, and the Tories were clear when they set out plans for GRA reform in 2018 that they were “not proposing any amendments to the Equality Act 2010″.

This potential meddling with trans people’s ability to use the single-sex spaces that correspond with their gender identity has meant the trans community is “beyond terrified that our basic rights are about to be removed”, the ‘Dear Liz’ campaign says. ... "

So wait, following the trail of logic here.

A. TRAs know that the Equality Act does not say that people have the right to identify into the single sex space of their choice.

B. But they've been telling organizations that they do anyway, and that the Equality Act says so.

C. And not they're "terrified" that that "right", which again they already know they do not have, is going to be "removed". Which it can't be, since they don't have it and never did.

Is there a mole at Pink News working to undermine the movement from within or do they just think their readers are stupid?

That Dear Liz page looks like it was written by an overtired toddler. Full of hyperbole and rage. Is there any actual law in it?

And yes, it's becoming very tedious to be told how frightened someone is, followed by well you can't stop me - that well known refrain of the oppressed.

Liz Truss has spoken about her wish to protect what she calls “single sex spaces” This is phrase is used by the gender critical movement when they talk about facilities and spaces that are gender segregated such as toilets and changing rooms. When Liz Truss talks about protecting these spaces for women and children, she infers that trans people are by nature predatory and should be excluded, therefore, banning transgender people from using toilets, changing rooms and other gendered facilities.

Utter self obsessed guff.

#MeOnly indeed.

One it's not a right, two we let you, now we're taking back permission

The people they should ve angry at and writing letters too are themselves. They had a good thing going. Very very few people with a grc who were pretty much allowed to just get on with it as in a population of 6 million it was hardly a frequent occurrence that one would encounter a male bodied person in the loo.

But they got greedy. All of a sudden nothing was enough. They pushed and pushed and pushed. They lied manipulated and threatened and we all stood up and said " no " just "no" and now they have the audacity to lay the blame on us and play the victim. Seriously. Take some responsibility. This Is all on them.

66 million

Slave owners would have been “beyond terrified that our basic rights were being removed” by the abolition of slavery.

I've met face to face with Marsha De Cova to discuss the implications of male bodied adults being in female sex segregated changing rooms, showers etc, and she agreed that it was problematic-she is partially sighted and said that situation would not work for her at all. I think she is hiding behind words rather than being honest and truthful.
There is a reason boys over the age of 8 (or thereabouts) are not allowed into womens changing rooms-why certain men think the rules don't apply to them is baffling.

banning transgender people from using toilets, changing rooms and other gendered facilities.

Do people think that repeating this will render people incapable of spotting the fact that it's not true? Being told that you should use the facilities for people of your biological sex is not the same thing as being banned from those facilities entirely. If you decide that you don't want to use the facilities designated for the use of your sex then I suppose you could be said to be banning yourself, kind of, but it's a "ban" that you could also choose to undo at any time.

Meanwhile there are starving trans people desperate for help whose human right to remain alive is seemingly of no zero interest to PN.

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/may/21/if-i-dont-have-sex-ill-die-of-hunger-covid-19-crisis-for-rios-trans-sex-workers

Does PN generally care about anything outside the UK or the US? I mean, they're a glorified blog, it's not as if they have reporters on the ground following up on stories.

This article is dated February of this year yet I feel like this has been talked about here for years.

Did they really only notice this recently?

'Thousands of gay people are being forced to undergo gender reassignment surgery in Iran for a vile reason'
www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/02/22/iran-gay-forced-gender-reassignment-surgery-the-sun/

dick

It was only a few weeks ago that PN was hailing iran as setting the standard for trans rights. Half their followers would be dead in Iran so it shows how they dont even care about gay men any more either

They seem to be experiencing some cognitive dissonance on the Iran issue, which is what happens when you pretend to care about one group but really consider another group to be far more important.

Thank fuck that Labour lost the election.

I'm amazed that I feel this. I've been a leftie my whole life, raised by lefties, surrounded by nothing but lefties.

Labour have fucked women over. Labour can therefore fuck off. I've less and less time for the knee-jerk, manipulative, bullshit tactics of the left.

I've no affection for the Tories either, fwiw. But I'll support their moves to protect the very fucking basic rights of women to be on their own in their own spaces without males inveigling their way in. It's not much to ask ffs! I just want to pee in a space that is male free!

@bananabixfloof

"The vast majority once told the implications of these drugs are not supportive."

Do you mean the 'vast majority' , or the 'vast vast majority', as everyone knows that repeating a word makes your argument much more reasoned and impressive. 😂

I never thought I'd be happy to see Labour lose an election either, and yet here we are. It would be nice if they would consider making themselves at least vaguely electable again some time in the forseeable future.

Yes ScrimpshawTheSecond I would love to be able to support genuinely left-wing policies that are well thought out. I wasn't overjoyed at the Conservatives winning the election, but immensely relieved that Labour lost, which aren't the same thing.

And as we've seen, there are some eminently sensible Conservative politicians who are taking a firm stand against the fashionable idea that anything goes in the name of 'inclusiveness' and 'oppression'. I'm happy to lend them my support and appreciation even though we might disagree strongly on other issues like economics. I can't imagine left-wing politicians having the same strength of character in these issues.

"Dangerous precedent. If allowed to happen, this government can then use this case as a precedent to target other groups and strip away their rights. What is next on the hit list for ideological right wing government? Abortion, access to birth control, Gay rights?"

As per usual, the expected hysterical scaremongering.
I notice they didn't include the Sun, Express, Mail, Telegrah, Times or Spectator on their list of press and media to contact.

And yes, it's becoming very tedious to be told how frightened someone is, followed by well you can't stop me - that well known refrain of the oppressed.

Is anyone else fascinated by this? One of the outstanding features of most activist movements - black civil rights, anti-slavery, anti-apartheid, feminism, gay rights etc - has been the insistence that people aren't afraid. That they will not be cowed, they will keep on fighting etc. You see people who have experienced the most terrible things (in apartheid South Africa, say) but shown the most extraordinary stoicism and dignity.

This constant emphasis on feeling frightened, unsafe, terrified etc seems very new. It's not unique to trans activists, but it does seem to have been adopted by them with more enthusiasm than any other group. Why? What makes them think this is an effective strategy?

I mean, perhaps it is an effective strategy. I don't know.

Trans people have been wrongfully INCLUDED in single sex spaces, including feminine men/trans women in women’s prisons. They appear to be confused.

I agree, we’d be in trouble if labour got in. For the first time in my life I spoilt my ballot, I always voted labour before. But abolishing sex based rights isn’t a small thing.

Also, trans activities,including stonewall are the ones against gay rights. They seem to be very very confused.

They seem to be very very confused.

They are. Some of them seem to be slowly waking up to the fact that saying TWAW/TMAM is homophobic, and a gay man refusing a transman as a sexual partner is transphobic.

More and more gay men are now saying something to the effect of "TMAM except for relationship purposes". OJ and Harrop have both said this, which makes them transphobic.

Sooner or later they'll have to admit that trans rights are in conflict with gay rights as well as women's rights.

But it's more fun for OJ and Harrop to intimidate and be derogatory towards women isn't it.
They know deep down TWANW and TMANM but being able to bully women for saying so is way too much of a pleasure for them to give it all up.