11 year old girl set homework asking her to 'define hardcore pornography'

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Mum fuming as daughter, 11, set homework asking her to 'define hardcore pornography' headline from the Mirror.

Mrs Taylor said if her daughter had searched these phrases online in order to define them, the results would have "destroyed her mind" and "scarred her for life".

"My daughter is still very much a child, we've still got magic elves, her bedroom is done in My Little Pony. She is very innocent and naive.

"She was only in primary school last year living her best life, now she is being asked to search for hardcore pornography.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-fuming-daughter-11-set-22049850

yap it's a process where young girls have their developing breasts flattened by pounding them with rocks and strapping them down so that they dont gain unwanted attention from men.

It's no different to binding really but cos white people advise about it/provide binders/wear breast binders it it's ok

WTF!

“Now it's making me think what they are learning about at school that we don’t know about. We only know about this because they're home learning.”
Can I hope that this is the silver lining? More parents checking just exactly what their children are being indoctrinated into.

Wow. The porn-promoting queer theory lot really have made substantial inroads into the classroom, haven’t they. Gobsmacking.

This statement from the head I find very worrying, on top of the rest obviously:

I am genuinely sorry if parents or students have unnecessarily researched any of these phrases and for any offence caused.

It’s the word “offence”. Offence??? It’s not about not upsetting Mary Whitehouse, or Outraged of Tunbridge Wells, FFS! It’s about SAFEGUARDING, and the fact the Head didn’t immediately get that, and that he(?) tried to frame it in this way instead, speaks volumes about the school’s safeguarding culture - or complete lack thereof.

All these schools and institutions with their Safeguarding policies and training etc etc, yet completely oblivious to the fact they themselves are being groomed, and are unwittingly colluding in the abuse of the children they are supposed to be keeping safe. What a world.

So if a parent or guardian - or even Uncle Bobby next door - tried to discuss these topics with a child of that age, and that child told a teacher - wouldn't the teacher report this as a safeguarding issue?

Remember - the people who advised on these packs arent teacher, social workers, child psychologists...

@YappityYapYap

Are you really 31? I can’t quite believe someone of my age would think that because they’ve never needed to know something, nobody younger than them ever will

I hadn’t heard the word TERF until 2 years ago. I certainly wouldn’t want a child of mine to grow up not knowing what it meant, or the ugly connotations.

Thesheep

Yap said the same thing the mother in the article said.The mother in the article also spoke of her 11 year old not needing to know what hardcore porn is.

Extreme porn in the UK has a definition in law.

(One that Jane Fae a prominent tra wants relaxed)

Extreme pornographic image is an image which is:

Pornographic ("of such a nature that it must reasonably be assumed to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal"), and
Grossly offensive, disgusting or otherwise of an obscene character, and
Portrays in an explicit and realistic way any of the following:
An act which threatens a person's life, or
An act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person's anus, breasts or genitals, or
An act which involves sexual interference with a human corpse (necrophilia), or
A person performing an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive) (bestiality), or
An act which involves the non-consensual penetration of a person's vagina, anus or mouth by another with the other person's penis or part of the other person’s body or anything else (rape or assault by penetration) and a reasonable person looking at the image would think that the persons or animals were real.

It is FAR better that they are told in a classroom environment, in terms that are factual and educational

The key bit is 'in a classroom'. Someone should have worked out that this was a topic to postpone until the kids are actually with their teachers and can have guided, supervised discussions. It's not suitable for independent learning by worksheet and googling. Come on!

And 👏👏👏👏 to @NotBadConsidering on the importance of being aware of different media sources and not just dismissing them. You have to read widely to be able to make informed judgements about the press.

According to the BBC, Department of Education say its nothing to do with them. School to deal with. These are the kind of idiots that are in charge of making sure children are taught safely and appropriately?

It is FAR better that they are told in a classroom environment, in terms that are factual and educational

I disagree that an 11 year old needs to learn about different types of porn as part of a school work sheet. This is grooming.

Sure, porn could be covered - later - as part of sex Ed but with the caveat that it can be unrealistic and exploitative and that it gives unrealistic views of bodies and sex for both sexes. But asking students to be aware of different types of porn, some of which is arguably niche, normalises it from the onset.

The age is deliberate - a lot of stuff is gross to an 11 year old girl, such as body hair, spots, periods, breasts etc so if children can be trained to overcome any discomfort about porn early then it‘ll be “normal” thereafter.

you'll see you look forward to a future of being beaten, strangled and being forced to choke on your partner's penis because this is now normalised by porn

No way should kids be given homework that encourages them to search for hardcore porn, but suggesting that the above is what most women look forward to is a bit bonkers. Porn is always OTT. Nobody expects real sex to be anything like that. They'd be sorely disappointed if they thought every bloke was going to have a nine inch sausage!

Tachograph teenager boys try to recreate porn including expected girls to take part in choking. Yes they do expect sex to be like porn. Why shouldn’t they if they have been introduced to it at 11 years old?

I notice the BBC report also suggests that the head teacher didn’t think the homework wrong - he was “sorry if parents or students have unnecessarily researched any of these phrases and for any offence caused by this mistake” he didn’t say sorry for the homework being set!

Tacho

Women on MN dating after divorce have reported massive change in expectations and behaviour from men. Eg being spat on, hair pulled, slapped, hands round throat, without prior consent

There is a large increase in girls going to doc/ hosp with injuries caused by anal sex (often coerced/ badgered into going it, those of us who are straight know what teen boys are often like)

The idea that everyone knows it's not 'real' is not correct. Firstly it is real, the people are doing it. Second of all the prevalence of eg removing lots or all pubic hair, or men asking for anal, compared to the 90s say, can only be related to porn.

There was a sex ed thing on the telly a few years back with kids maybe 14. The boys were shown pics of vulvas with hair. They were all shocked and disgusted. What does that say.

And lots of women don't want a 9 inch cock. Too big for many, not comfy even can be painful. The big cock thing is for men watching porn. They are obsessed with their penises and also it relates to the whole, make her take it from it dominance thing which is standard in het porn and a really worrying message for young people and children, the boys because it teaches them a really nasty message about sex and the girls because... Well that bit is kind of obvious.

I don’t doubt some boys do coerce girls to try dangerous things, but in reality it just isn’t the norm. You only really hear feminists talking about it.

Usually there are several landmarks on the way to having sex (kissing, fondling, etc) and for most men their first time is clumsy and awkward - if you had any expectations of it being like in a porn film they fade pretty fast! However, I agree things are definitely changing. Rough sex has always been popular with both sexes. I remember reading a study ages ago that found half of women enjoy rough sex. I’ve just tried to find it online and saw a much more recent one (compiled from online dating surveys) showing that 62% of female respondents now claim to enjoy it.

If people want to have rough sex I don’t think they should be stopped. I think we need to maybe look at the sentencing for predators etc that abuse it or use it as cover (“she said she wanted it” etc). Wanting rough sex isn’t like sex work, and many women seek it out by choice when they have no need to.

However, I think it’s a fair assumption that the risk of injury or encountering a dodgy individual probably rises when pursuing this type of sexual activity.

Leaving aside the appalling fuck up by this school, I’m incredibly concerned at the attitudes of some on this thread about the age to talk about porn! Surely when your child has a mobile phone is the age!

My DS is in Y7 and we’ve been discussing this with him since he started secondary. Obviously not the content of hard core porn but the existence of porn, how available it is and the issues surrounding it. He has stumbled across a couple of things on line and because we have been so open with him he’s talked about it and we’ve been able to block inappropriate sites and further discuss issues with him.

Y10 is waaaay too late for these conversations!

Sure, porn could be covered - later - as part of sex Ed but with the caveat that it can be unrealistic and exploitative and that it gives unrealistic views of bodies and sex for both sexes. But asking students to be aware of different types of porn, some of which is arguably niche, normalises it from the onset.

How much later though? After they've already run into it on their device, or been shown it by a friend, or seen it at home? Those things certainly all normalise it.

I would agree that the idea would be to talk about it in terms of it's problems, which are many, and also what to do when they find themselves exposed to it.

I don't necessarily agree that learning something about the vocabulary around porn is normalising it. To say that it can range from things like Playboy (soft) to people having real sex (hard) to violent things that can be very upsetting and even illegal (extreme) - that's really just part of describing what kinds of things count as porn. Kids should know all are porn and should be reported to parents.

How much later though? After they've already run into it on their device, or been shown it by a friend, or seen it at home? Those things certainly all normalise it.

By parents, whenever you think your children are ready.

As part of the school curriculum - not in primary school. Not unreasonable to know that it exists and they may be exposed to it and that might make them feel a few confusing things. Way too much for an 11 year old to be taught subcategories of porn as part of the school curriculum.

“Today we’re going to learn how to calculate the area of a circle in maths and how to classify plants in science. In English we’ll review figurative language in narrative-writing. In health and physical education we’re going to talk about getting your period and common feelings about starting puberty. Leading on from this you’ll learn about breastbinding. You will also learn about hardcore porn and how it is different from so called “soft” porn.”

“What’s the difference between homosexual porn and transsexual porn Timmy?”

“Well Miss, as far as I can tell from Google, they are both when two men do rude things to each other, but in transsexual porn one of them has a big fake pair of titties.”

“Sorry Timmy, you can’t assume their gender. D-“.

Are schools subject to FOIA? Or would that cause too many safeguarding issues if they were?

I would like to know where the school got this lesson plan- and what the fuck is on that headteacher's hard drive.

I don’t doubt some boys do coerce girls to try dangerous things, but in reality it just isn’t the norm. You only really hear feminists talking about it

not true- its being talked about in parliament and in the tabloids.

Rough sex has always been popular with both sexes.

no it hasnt.

If people want to have rough sex I don’t think they should be stopped

where has that idea come from? you think feminists advocate putting people in bedrrooms to decide how people have sex?

the conversation is about whether 11/12year old children should be taught about hard core porn inc rough sex, and/or how they are taught about it and why they are being taught it.

Is this actually on the curriculum for year 7? Or is it a pornsick male teacher abusing the children by proxy?

and why they are being taught it.

This is what I find most concerning. Of course 11/12 year olds need to know about internet safety and what to do if they see images that make them confused or uncomfortable.

That is very different to being taught about transsexual porn at school. Who’s advocating for this?