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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TRA's targeting mumsnet advertisers

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Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 12/05/2020 18:04

TRA on twitter tweeting a Mumsnet advertiser, saying Mumsnet is transphobic and tweeting opinion pieces at the the advertiser Audible.

"We absolutely support and believe in trans rights, thanks for bringing this to our attention, we're going to look into this."

twitter.com/mimmymum/status/1260179162297401344

I looked for a thread, if there is one already let me know and i'll ask for this to be deleted for being a duplicate.

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OhHolyJesus · 12/05/2020 19:49

Suing for libel is very expensive, it could be a tactic to get Mumsnet shut down along with the removal of advertisers.

Audible, if you're around or have employees in here, I was about to sign up but won't bother if you listen to the minority who want to destroy a public parenting forum. I'd encourage you to check out threads on this board for transphobia or accusations of paedophilia.

I'd also suggest you look into the background of those seeking to close Mumsnet down and ask yourselves why it's so important to them.

I'll email your PR team too.

youkiddingme · 12/05/2020 19:50

Maybe we could counter it with focused positive tweets to brands we see advertised on mumsnet.

CumannNamBan · 12/05/2020 19:51

I'm thinking of taking out asubscription to Mumsnet so they are not so reliant on advertisers. Anyone else doing this?

Trees2905 · 12/05/2020 19:55

Has everyone who’s disgusted at trolls trying to stop businesses advertising on Mumsnet voted with their feet and signed up with Mumsnet Premium to give the business some revenue?

EmpressLangClegInChair · 12/05/2020 19:56

I tried Skyr after Arla gave such a great response, and I’m loving it. Regular on my shopping list now.

R0wantrees · 12/05/2020 20:00

I'd also suggest you look into the background of those seeking to close Mumsnet down and ask yourselves why it's so important to them.

'Regina v Miranda Yardley: More DARVO from Helen Islan'
POSTED ON 3RD MARCH 2019 BY MIRANDA
(extract)
"In the Daily Mail today “Britain’s first transgender hate crime trial is halted after one day as judge says ‘there is no case and never was a case“, the complainant against me Helen Islan tries to distance herself from the proceedings which were brought in her name:

‘The decision to prosecute was made by the CPS, not me personally and I accept the verdict of the court.’

It does not surprise me she is trying to wash herself of responsibility. Having tried to blackmail the court by saying she was unprepared to give evidence unless her name was subjected to a press restrictions order, her evidence on Friday appeared to me to be incredibly dishonest as she attempted to distance herself from anything and everything she has said and done: apparently never having tweeted under her real name, it was ‘esoteric search engines’ which created and posted tweets under the name ‘Helen Islan’, as shown by screen captures of these tweets in the evidence bundle. In spite of admitting in her statement and even evidence given to open court that she was a volunteer with Mermaids, getting her to acknowledge anything was met with denial of the facts, attacks on my character and reversals… now where have we seen that before?

The upshot is, her evidence was like witnessing a tooth extraction. I suspect the judge agreed, from the way he was rolling his eyes and having to tell Islan to stop wasting the court’s time waffling and just answer the questions. Islan was so unreliable as a witness, so truculent, I would not have been surprised should she have been indicted for perjury.

Anyway, back to the original quote which I will reproduce again so that we are clear as to Islan’s words:

‘The decision to prosecute was made by the CPS, not me personally and I accept the verdict of the court.’

On 10 August last year, I received from Islan’s solicitors Mishcon de Reya a three page legal letter threatening me with a High Court injunction, action for defamation and a costs order. This letter was I believe funded by the Mishcon de Reya ‘Pink Law‘ initiative, so again Islan benefitted from LGBT without herself being a part of this world.

What a hypocrite." (continues)
mirandayardley.com/en/regina-v-miranda-yardley-more-darvo-from-helen-islan/

Mail on Sunday article cited:
'Britain's first transgender hate crime trial is halted after one day as judge says 'there is no case and never was a case'
Miranda Yardley, 51, was accused of harassing transgender activist Helen Islan'
(extract)
"Britain's first transgender hate crime prosecution has been halted by a judge who declared: ‘There is no case and never was a case.’

Miranda Yardley, 51, was put ‘through ten months of hell’ after being accused of harassing a transgender activist on Twitter.

But District Judge John Woollard dismissed the case after a one-day hearing, saying there was simply no evidence.

Campaigners called the decision a victory for free speech, while the accused claimed police were being used to ‘enforce a political ideology’. (continues)

On one side was Yardley, an accountant, who describes himself as a transsexual and identifies as a man, even though he underwent gender reassignment to become a woman ten years ago.

Despite his own experience, his contention is that individuals cannot change sex – and this has drawn fierce criticism on social media.

Giving evidence via video link was his accuser, Helen Islan, who is married with children and works with the trans advocacy group Mermaids, which campaigns for children who want to change gender." (continues)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6764763/Britains-transgender-hate-crime-trial-halted-one-day.html

ArriettyJones · 12/05/2020 20:00

Has everyone who’s disgusted at trolls trying to stop businesses advertising on Mumsnet voted with their feet and signed up with Mumsnet Premium to give the business some revenue?

I’m probably going to do it via prepaid card to guard against hacking concerns. Thanks for the reminder.

R0wantrees · 12/05/2020 20:02

I tried Skyr after Arla gave such a great response, and I’m loving it. Regular on my shopping list now.

I switched to Cravendale milk. Its great in the current lockdown as stays fresher for longer.

nauticant · 12/05/2020 20:04

The only mention of "paedophile" on that thread is a quote of Dawson's comment:

Juno Dawson Twitter comment:

"I'll have to be off Twitter today because as a trans woman doing LITERALLY ANYTHING in the world means you have to suffer name-calling and - on @ MumsnetTowers - accusations of being a paedophile apparently.

Welcome to my online reality, folks! "

What is discussed on the thread is the rather well-trod interest in the bodies and sexualities of teenage girls by (not all, but definitely a fair number of) transwomen before, during, and after their transitions.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 12/05/2020 20:21

NotTerfNorCis

Thank you, that's what I thought.

Are parents on a parenting website not supposed to talk about a highly sexualised book aimed at teens?Well I know the answer to that, that's why the TRA's are targeting advertisers, to stop women talking.

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TorkTorkBam · 12/05/2020 20:31

Oh no! I bloody love Audible.

I have even clicked through from their adverts on MN.

I desperately hope they don't go the route of deciding ladies what they are allowed to read to protect their delicate lady brains from ideas some fanatical men find distasteful.

What's the best alternative to Audible out there? Better start researching now. Arse.

JamieLeeCurtains · 12/05/2020 20:33

Cravendale supports higher cow welfare standards too, according to its website. And Arla likes that Mumsnet likes Arla.

Watch and learn, Audible (and other advertisers). Many 'disposable income type' purchases are down in the pandemic, but food and other sales are up.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 12/05/2020 20:35

RO

Well now, that is interesting.So much information for Audible to look into on this thread.

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Lordfrontpaw · 12/05/2020 20:45

We are a cravendale house now.

boatyardblues · 12/05/2020 20:52

I bought some skyr but it didn’t float my boat. We get through a fair amount of Lurpak in a year though.

HDDD · 12/05/2020 20:54

*Message from MNHQ: Lads, we're getting a billion reports and tbh, we're not sure that we're the place for this. How about thrashing it all out somewhere else? We're going to remove this thread now. Love and peace, MNHQ.

Lads?"

That just stopped me in my tracks - LADS?????

TorkTorkBam · 12/05/2020 20:55

I don't mind being called a lad. I won't be suing.

LouHotel · 12/05/2020 21:01

Fuck it I'm getting a mumsnet subscription

NotTerfNorCis · 12/05/2020 21:03

I don't get 'lads' on a site called Mumsnet. 'Guys' maybe? Also, billions of complaints? It was a short and fairly non-contentious thread.

TorkTorkBam · 12/05/2020 21:04

"Ladies" with an amusing typo I would assume

CumannNamBan · 12/05/2020 21:20

Re lads, I wonder if that is an Irish person? I use lads sometimes in a sex-neutral way. Not everyone here does it, but in some areas and some age-groups they do.

R0wantrees · 12/05/2020 21:32

Message from MNHQ: Lads, we're getting a billion reports and tbh, we're not sure that we're the place for this. How about thrashing it all out somewhere else? We're going to remove this thread now. Love and peace, MNHQ.

I presumed this was regarding glinner's thread about Comerford which has been pulled.

R0wantrees · 12/05/2020 21:43

June 2018 Times 'Facebook blocks links to women’s rights group'

(extract)
"Facebook has blocked links to the website of a feminist campaign group after been targeted by transexual activists.

Woman’s Place UK fights for women-only spaces and raises concerns about people being able to self-declare as transgender. Links to the site were blocked over the weekend by Facebook on suspicion that they were spam or breaching community guidelines.

The clampdown coincided with a message posted on Twitter by @ mimmymum, whose profile said it belonged to “Helen”, an “intersectional cis feminist” who is “passionate about acceptance for transgender people & trans kids, equality & making the world a better place”. “Cis” is a term used for people who identify their gender as the same as the body they were born in.

The Twitter profile posted a guide on how to report Woman’s Place UK to Facebook for breaching guidelines. “Helen” accused the website of transphobia and excluding transwomen.

Judith Green, of Woman’s Place UK, said that it had been difficult to contact Facebook to discuss why it had blocked the links but added: “We regard it as a fairly serious interference in democratic discussion. This is about women’s voices being able to be heard.”

The House of Commons women and equalities committee called last year for people to be able to self-declare their gender. Some feminists have complained that this puts women at risk in prisons, changing rooms and battered wives’ refuges from physically intact men self-declaring as transwomen.

Ms Green said the committee had called no women’s organisations to give evidence. “We are talking about the defining of sex. It affects everybody but in particular women. This discussion is often presented only of interest to people who are transgender therefore nobody else is entitled to have a voice.” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/facebook-blocks-links-to-women-s-rights-group-q367rvz5m?shareToken=8912e7caa7b6869480647eb0fb1f4b32&wgu=270525_54264_15893156409942_df4e574eff&wgexpiry=1597091640&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278

thread (includes links between Mermaids, Mimmymum, Tea Uglow etc)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3314779-The-Times-reporting-on-the-harassment-of-A-Womans-Place-UK

NotTerfNorCis · 12/05/2020 22:20

R0wantrees yes it was. The TRAs are very much on Glinner's case which is obviously where the 'billions of reports' came from. The thread was only about 12 posts and there was nothing controversial on it.

ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans · 12/05/2020 22:24

I am a long term audible subscriber and have spent a small fortune over the years.

I am always surprised that randoms on twitter have so much power over corporate decision making.

Marketing team - please see my carefully researched proposal about why advertising on x platform would sell more chicken nuggets / milk / dairy / audiobooks etc..

A few weeks later....oh no, someone I have never heard of is making some serious allegations about said platform.

Should I do my own research? Should I seek clarification from platform owner. I know, I will just accept the allegations at face value and issue a hastily written vaguely encouraging tweet.