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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans Widows' Escape Committee 4 - A New Hope

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TinselAngel · 03/05/2020 12:23

Who would have thought we'd make it to thread 4?

Let's have some mutual pats on the back for the amazing support women on these threads have given to other trans widows, and the accidental consciousness raising that has come about as a result of this community.

This is a support area for women who are, or have been, in unhappy relationships with male partners who are transitioning, or exploring their "gender identity"

If you are in that position-

  1. You are not alone
  2. It is not a situation that you should be expected to tolerate, let alone celebrate.
  3. There is always a way out, if you want it. The thread is called Escape Committee for that reason

Remember: women talking to each other is a powerful weapon!

We now have a website which has been very well recived, and if any women who have contributed to these threads would like to write their story for inclusion on the website that would be wonderful.

Do post to get the new thread going. Links to the website and previous threads will follow.

As ever our thoughts are with the women still stuck in these relationships- check in, we do worry about you.

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QuinnMovesOn · 02/07/2020 03:42

*Maureen, yes, this spider software would at least collect all the messages, even if it's not in a great format to start.

QuinnMovesOn · 02/07/2020 03:58

@EastCoastTranswidow, congrats on getting to the divorce filing, that's a major step forward.

I also came to the realization that my husband doesn't exist anymore. There is only all of the worst traits remaining... the extreme narcissism, inability to manage his anger, heavy drinking, living in squalor, etc. And spending money like there's no tomorrow. There is nothing left of the person I married.

Iworkmiricles · 02/07/2020 10:49

I guess I am lucky in that sex doesn't enter into the equation at all. I haven't had it for years. Even when I did, it wasn't great. How I have two children is beyond me!
The "counselling" that they get seems to focus more on being them, having the confidence to leave the house or be their female self. It doesn't seem to explore the impact on others and their situation beyond the gender issues. This isn't helpful to anyone other than them, and I do feel that they should be being offered more to see the impact on others, as it may make them a bit more likeable. I certainly don't' like mine at the moment for being such a selfish, bone idle dick.
This isn't our fault, we have to accept this, we just have to build up walls around us and those we love to protect them. I used to think that this was my fault, that I wasn't strong enough to throw them out, then I realised, this isn't my fault, this is entirely theirs, they are the one that just can't see the issues, and until this happens, they may never go, all I can do is make it as uncomfortable for them as possible.

Rettstar · 02/07/2020 16:17

@Iworkmiricles ..

This isn't our fault, we have to accept this, we just have to build up walls around us and those we love to protect them.

My question would be why do we need to accept it. I'm hoping that you haven't and you're going to give your ex the heave-ho.

Rettstar · 02/07/2020 16:31

CW: rape. This might trigger some people, please don't be offended.

Counseling yesterday, I spent some of last night sobbing when I went to bed, I sobbed this evening, and at lunch time.

The realisation that I was recipient of abuse, not just the narcissism involved, but the words at the end of my relationship distilling it down to I was a female. It wasn't just about power or oppression. It was done to impose a version of reality that wasn't real. Rape is about power, oppression of an individual. I had the epiphany that I was raped. Like, not because it was to dominate, intimidate, power or anything like that, but literally raped because I was a woman, adult human female and he was not.

I wish I could just blank it all out.

He tried to groom me, and interestingly, with the (not going to name him because we don't want TRAs in this thread) the dude who wrote IT Crowd being banned from twitter for hate speech, and using the word groom in a potentially hateful context. So, it turns out that grooming has been banned from Twitter as some kind of hate word.

While most people would relate it to what nasty ppl do to kids, it happens to adults as well. So people who have experienced trauma are having their options to speak their truth limited or censored. It also gets said that abused women are being recruited and exploited for some kind of cultural warfare that is happening. That just isn't true, because if you believe that, then that invalidates the woman's experience, minimises it, delegitimises the lived experience so that we step back and go "well, she's being taken advantage of, so rather than listen, we pity".. And then disregard her narrative and her experience.

It's not just about belief. Women don't speak up against a mainstream pov unless it is important, most of women simply do not want the attention.

I can't just say - transwomen are men, because in my group of friends, I would be the outlier. They have determined that a man can feel like a woman, therefore is a woman. This is HUGELY triggering for me. My experience this week, was to be told by a friend that "I understand you feel this way because of your experience and it was terrible, I can't imagine how it would be for you" and then sent me an article about how my generation of women have got it wrong (written by a man of course) and we were influenced by TV shows, movies etc. So, I was gaslit, unknowingly by a close friend.

That resulted in a lot of tears. So now I can say I was raped, repeatedly, over 8 years. Just not to my friends, but to complete strangers who don't know me and believe me, because they have a similar lived experience. I would be shunned, if I said what I thought, I realise that now after seeing a lot of crap coming from them on FB/Twitter or dismissed as a "victim".

My counselor asked for more info, she's a psychologist that specialises in Trauma. She is absolutely gobsmacked at what I've been through and was horrified to know that there are so many more women out there, who can't speak their truth for fear of reprisals. It's not her area of experience, but I think she wants to know more. She certainly doesn't believe that a woman should be forced into maintaining a relationship with a TIM, as it literally breaks all original intent when forming the relationship together.

I haven't been able to diarise everything about my ex yet. When I am finally able to put pen to paper, I know that I'm going to be ok.

Reading some of the new poster's stories just breaks my heart. You are all strong amazing women, I'm proud to know you.

SeasideMaureen · 02/07/2020 16:54

Many replies I want to make. @EastCoastTranswidow so glad to hear you were able to file online. Wonderful step forward.

@Iworkmiricles I do very much wish they had worked on some of their other issues first. The counseling did seem to focus on getting outside dressed and other things that you mentioned. The hint of considering the feeling of others in this sends them reeling, they want nothing to do with that thought and when it has been brought up by those that now know they are angry.

@Rettstar to not be able to speak with those that are supposed to be friends is heartbreaking.

Iworkmiricles · 03/07/2020 14:21

[quote Rettstar]@Iworkmiricles ..

This isn't our fault, we have to accept this, we just have to build up walls around us and those we love to protect them.

My question would be why do we need to accept it. I'm hoping that you haven't and you're going to give your ex the heave-ho.[/quote]
Hell yes, they need to go. What I mean is that I have to accept, that this isn't my fault, at the end of the day, they are the one being the bad person because they are the one that won't do the decent thing and this isn't a reflection on me and what I want, it's a reflection of the sort of person that they are.

TinselAngel · 03/07/2020 23:48

With regards to writing stuff down making it feel weird, Eastcoast I remember finding talking to people about it being similar.

I remember telling my best friends about stuff, towards the end of my marriage and seeing them gradually becoming more and more horrified at what I was putting up with. You get institutionalised.

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TinselAngel · 03/07/2020 23:53

Rett people are so desperate so not think of themselves as bigoted that the only concession they can make often is "Oh I can understand you feel like that given your experience".

I find people who consider themselves part of the LGBT+ "community" are particularly prone to this.

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TinselAngel · 03/07/2020 23:55

Iworkmiricles remind me, can you take control and either get them to leave, or leave yourself?

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Iworkmiricles · 04/07/2020 07:37

@TinselAngel we live off my income, so I don't see why I should leave! Also, because of the law, I would still be liable to pay the mortgage. The process is started to get him off it. I'm just getting on with stuff. If he wants to to sit in limbo, that's up to him, but I don't intend to any longer,

TinselAngel · 04/07/2020 12:11

Good for you x

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QuinnMovesOn · 05/07/2020 23:03

@Iworkmiricles, congratulations on getting the process started. It's the first step towards being done with all of this insanity.

I'm still wondering how long it will be until I stop feeling so damaged by all of this.

I listened to an excellent podcast by Straight Spouse Network, by someone who is still recovering from her trauma, ten years after divorce. I'm really hoping it won't be that long for me.

SeasideMaureen · 06/07/2020 20:21

@QuinnMovesOn I’m curious about that podcast so will have a listen. I’m still at the point wondering just when I’ll be out of this situation that I hadn’t thought fully about the feelings that are still ongoing after closure. I too hope for you that the feelings of damage stop for you sooner rather than later. Flowers

Milotic · 09/07/2020 14:48

Well.

Mine is all over SM virtue signalling. Proving what a real woman he is by spreading his legs and exposing his dick.

Reported it to insta but somehow it's not been removed.

Currently in a respite centre with absolutely nothing again. Fed up. Not even had a cig cuz I won't walk to the shop.

I've never felt as low as I do now
I feel like my brain is damaged forever.

Milotic · 09/07/2020 14:48

Oh forgot to mention he's wearing pink stockings and a bra so definitely a real woman....

TinselAngel · 09/07/2020 17:25

The exposing themselves all over social media is quite a familiar tale I'm afraid.

@Milotic I still wonder if you would find better help on the Relationships board at the moment? The trans thing seems to only be a part of your situation, which is just as complex in other areas, and we're not experts here.

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Milotic · 09/07/2020 17:34

If I'm not welcome I'll leave. I don't feel like I can talk to people who haven't experienced the trans part.

Milotic · 09/07/2020 17:35

In fact I'm not sure what part of my posts aren't to do with trans. Id rather people just say it's me that's a problem and you don't want me posting.

socialworker222 · 09/07/2020 17:46

Our lived experience repeatedly suggests that many women lose their husbands in this process Quinn. The person I occasionally have to deal with bears no resemblance to the personality I married. There is a - clearly liberating - shedding of all that went before, and the wholesale adoption of a new made-up person. It simply isn't possible to change authentically in that way as an adult, so I see it as an adopted persona, a played role.
And yes Milotic you might find support on wider abusive behaviour, and your financial stuff on Relationships; we are fairly focussed on here and your situation goes far beyond the trans issue alone. We all sigh and raise an eyebrow at the use of social media. Such a familiar story. It always suggests to me that this isn't just an internal process or discovery of an authentic self, but a pathological need for validation and attention.

Seaside the often directive/educative nature of counselling services designed to support trans people, means the service they are providing is not really counselling in the true sense, but simply validation and advice. And they certainly don't offer a decent, non-judgemental , person-centred service to the partners of transitioning people as some advertise, as they regard us as simply needing retraining.
As for how long this lasts Quinn, I do think some things help to speed up a process that would naturally improve with time alone (but yes, with just waiting it out, probably takes years). Making a decisive break, and setting very clear boundaries on communication/contact and where I stand on my ex's behaviour helped me a lot, but I had the advantage of not having to live with him for very long after his announcement. I know many of us are stuck living with these men while the process unfolds and my heart goes out to you. Sounds like your decisive steps miricles are in the right direction. There are women on here who regard themselves as having moved on and recovered to a greater degree, occasional blips/reminders/distress notwithstanding as with any traumatic life event. So I try to stay optimistic.

Milotic · 09/07/2020 17:50

I don't need support with anything else? I've mentioned it in my posts becauae it's added unfairness as he stole all my clothes since he's a woman now

How is that not relevant to being trans? Literally most of my writing is about the trans side and mental effects.

I'm not begging for acceptance again.

I can't talk to people who haven't experienced the trans side. He told me this would happen. He told me when he snooped on my phone and found the TW threads on my history when my eyes were starting to open.

I'm just gonna leave and not try again. Sorry for existing.

Milotic · 09/07/2020 17:58

How do I get my account and posts deleted? I can't take him coming across this and realising he was right. He will know it's me he always said I stick out like a sore thumb everywhere. A fly everyone wants to swat.

Milotic · 09/07/2020 18:07

Nothing should've said no one. Was crying when I typed it out because I've ended up with no one I can talk to. My two best friends don't even get it and I can't talk to them either.

socialworker222 · 09/07/2020 22:56

Milotic the suggestions to post on Relationships were because of the wider abusive issues you talked about before the trans stuff, and your having to leave, move area, finances etc. You said early on that you have LOTS of support, and lots of people who believe you, and a supportive ex in your kids' dad... You have talked about very supportive friends who cross-dress. That all sounded good even though your situation is so difficult. Not sure what's going on or how all that support has now vanished but this seems complicated so you probably won't get everything you may need from just this thread. I would encourage you to get off social media asap in terms of seeing your ex. I found it tempting to look at what mine was doing but it made things much worse.

TinselAngel · 09/07/2020 23:05

How do I get my account and posts deleted?

Report one of your own posts and ask MNHQ. It has been done in the past, so it should still be possible.

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