Julie Bindel on twitter

[Anonymouswasawoman]

Did her account get deleted?
twitter.com/bindelj/
Twitter is telling me it doesn't exist

Interesting point MrsSnippyPants. But who else do they think will sort it out with a Conservative government with an 80 seat majority?

I am exasperated by this. I can't be bothered to read a 98 tweet long thread when frankly there are far more important things to do. They all need a time out.

Basically this comes down to two tribes.

Some GCs want to be able to freely misgender TW in public.

Other GCs know they won’t get anywhere near the mainstream media or keep their jobs if they openly misgender people.

Once you see that everything becomes clear about what is really happening. All the class and political stuff is a distraction (although there are some elements of that).

Group 1 is really angry at group 2 for not using their public platform to misgender (or ‘call a man a man’).

Group 1 says group 2 are perpetuating the patriarchy and siding with males.

Group 1 says TWAM. Group 2 says TWATW.

Group 1 says group 2 have appointed themselves leaders.

Group 2 all use their real names which they can do because they’re not misgendering (other than the odd sex offender) for example JB usually will call her transsexual m2f friend she.

Group 2 distance themselves from group 1 not only because they openly misgender, but they also have been the ones to ally with the political right Eg PP/JL and the HF. (Yes JB has published in right wing media - minor complication).

Group 2 criticise some of Group 1 for hiding behind pseudonyms, which they have to do because they would probably lose a lot if they were caught misgendering people. But they transmute this criticism into a class slur: well you can afford to use your real name because you have class privilege... etc etc.

That’s how I see it anyway.

I am getting profoundly sick of the concept of “distancing from”.

For heavens sake, if we all had to start every post on here by naming all the other users we have once disagreed with over something, we would never get to have interesting discussions. It really isn’t necessary.

I don’t post on twitter, so it may be that I live in a different universe, and maybe, if most of your life and your thinking is all about publicising it onTwitter, having spats in public makes sense. But it does seem that these spats are causing as much damage as Posie going to a meeting at the heritage foundation.

Wether the handful of academics on Twitter are trying to self-appoint as leaders, I couldn’t say. I think lashing out at anon accounts is arrogant and ignorant, and It does come across as trying to create a hierarchy.

I think both JCJ, who is not in academia, and Jess Taylor are trying their hardest to align themselves with more senior and better known academics, in situations where it risks coming across as playground attempts at being accepted in to “the popular”s clique. Though I totally understand why they would do that.

The party political or left/right issue is a dead end. The world has changed, especially as the left in Europe and the US is having an almighty identity crisis. We can’t wait for ‘the left’™️ to get up to speed.

I find it fascinating that of all the known actors in this fight, Posie is the one with the most astute political analysis of the situation.

bflatmajorsharp I have read extensively and followed this debate for many years. I rarely post here because there is a very young trans child, with a public profile, in my family and I fear outing myself and causing a family rift. I'm not new to this or to the politics of the left.

I made my earlier post straight after reading the exchange between JCJ and PP on the blog, after reading throughout the day all the unfolding views resulting from JCJ's tweets this morning. To be fair I lost my temper at JCJ's claim that she had no choice but to distance herself from what went on in the USA and that she couldn't breathe properly for three months after. That same claim about the necessity of distancing has also been made by other academics and it implies a ridiculous amount of power in those that would otherwise criticise them. It achieves nothing but discord in the GC community.

What gives PP her power and clarity is that she doesn't let her aim get knocked about in her head by worrying about what others think of her.

I think this culture of public distancing is akin to no-platforming, just less honest.

I gave up my Labour party membership in 1997 when Harriet Harman started demonizing single mothers, so maybe I'm less astonished by women being screwed over by the left today. At the time it was like losing my religion, so I have some sympathy with trying to keep one's world view intact by instinctively battling against contamination from the right, but ultimately it's restrictive thinking.

The smoke and mirrors of TRA tactics and double-think and magical thinking makes everything incoherent. Forget right/left, it needs tackling from every possible angle.

I disagree with self-ID because of the obvious risks, but honestly most GC discussion I read is just hot air and bickering tbh.

I could not care less about these disagreements. The only thing I care about is that it's possible to defend women and girls. We can only do that if we can define women and girls accurately.

It's that simple.

There have been several positives this week. Useful actions would be:

Write to Liz Truss in support of her defence of women and girls and with any actions you want the government to take.

Write to the pshe departments of schools (and senior staff) pointing out that the cps advice has been withdrawn.

Write to your MP with concerns.

The point about left vs right is interesting, especially as it's something that came up a few times on the thread the other day

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3895487-What-broader-issues-has-the-trans-lack-of-debate-opened-your-eyes-to

I don't do twitter, so have missed all this and I don't fully understand it.

From what I can gather, it's just more identity politics bollocks isn't it?

One of the reasons I find FWR so interesting is because of the disagreements. And this predates TRAs. I remember when the main complaint against FWR posters was not to call us transphobes or bigots, but it was that the feminists were too academic and hard to understand. Although FWR posters have always been mean, apparently.

I've learnt so much from reading disagreements and arguments on here. Twitter just doesn't do it for me in the same way - perhaps it's because we're not fishing for likes and retweets here in the same way and because we're anonymous and can namechange, realistically no-one gives a shit who we are.

It's a shame that the facts of the American mother who organised a meeting on the Heritage Foundation doing this because no left-facing orgs would help her are subordinated to the notion that accepting help from anyone other than the left facing orgs rejecting you is going to give grist to the rejectors mill. The rejectors are in the wrong here.

Anyway, this division has always existed in this issue and always will. The people who can step outside of the politics will achieve the most.

“The rejectors are in the wrong here.

Anyway, this division has always existed in this issue and always will. The people who can step outside of the politics will achieve the most.”

Absolutely Stranger

I just read the exchange between JCJ and PP on the blog. I like both women. I can't help but see this as fundamentally a conflict between an idealist (JCJ) and pragmatist (PP). They are talking past each other. I am confused why JCJ had breathing difficulties because PP went to USA - can't understand that, at all - but JCJ seems like a lovely person, and hope she gains further clarity and momentum after a much deserved and needed break from social media. PP does, though, come across as a bit more reasonable in the comments. Not to be 'that guy' but JCJ comes across as very INFP (MBTI). I am also INFP. But [flowers ] to them both!

I really struggle to understand why that is so problematic.

Because the Mainstreamers (group 2) are claiming the Misgenderer’s behaviour is threatening the Mainstreamer’s credibility and is fuelling media no-platforming.

It threatens to muddy the Mainstreamer’s message as well as their livelihoods.

Credibility with who though? With people who want to throw you under the bus and call you a bigot when you protest?

They can and should do whatever they believe is right, but I'll tell you what, if I had a child headed down a path that could lead to infertility, loss of sex drive and removing healthy body parts, then I'd talk to anyone who would listen.

I agree, flomary63z. There is a fundamental conflict between their, as you say, idealism and pragmatism.

I read JCJ’s blog and found some parts strange. Having breathing problems for three months because Posie Parker went to a meeting in Washington is very concerning. I wondered why JCJ didn’t address her own naming of an alleged victim of sexual harassment and the alleged perpetrator. I thought Posie’s comments were well-made. But I like both of them and wish JCJ well.

It’s a shame so many feminists have turned away from Posie because she is a brilliant media performer. Her interview with Adrian Harrop showed that when she nearly made Harrop explode with anger while she remained totally calm. Her sticker, t-shirt and billboard campaigns all showed she has a flair for getting mainstream media attention. I wish she and Julia Long, another brilliant interviewee who did so much with “Get the L Out”, had more support from other gc feminists.

flomary63 yes I agree re:idealist vs pragmatist although I think it's more political vs not that bothered about politics.

What are INFP and MBTI?

unwashedandundazed I disagree that distancing is the same as 'no platforming'. I don't see that either woman has tried to galvanise momentum to block the other from the public domain or limit their communication channels or audiences tbh.

I am getting profoundly sick of the concept of “distancing from”.

Me too, and I'm not doing it. Also note that the expectation that one do so is disproportionately aimed at women.

It is a great pity that, for all the talk of distancing, JCJ and Rosa Freedman did not feel the need to do that with Kinesis, a distinctly misogynistic TRA, and RF in particular, has well-publicized friendships with TRAs such as CursedE and Ramendik. Of course, be friends with who you like, but publicly distancing yourself from one group because their politics do not align with yours whilst publicly befriending abusive biological men is demonstrates a sort of hypocrisy that will not go unnoticed.

Tbf I think JCJ was rather taken in by Kinesis, who was doing a whole "I'm reasonable and willing to listen" act in order to get a free trip round the UK. I will never understand Rosa cultivating a friendship with CursedE, who is a loathsome individual and doesn't bother hiding the fact

It's also a great pity DrLouiseJMoody that, despite your distaste for JCJ bringing tangental allegiances and disagreements into the public domain with the intent to condemn other women, you're now doing the same.

Honestly, all this infighting needs to stay out of the public domain, esp such dominant forums as Twitter and MN.

I'm also very aware of the naming of someone and the perpetrator. That is a part of this, and the record was set straight last night. There is also my pinned tweet:

mobile.twitter.com/drlouisejmoody/status/1241455517152808960

Which was interpreted as TRA harassment. It was not. And in light of JCJ naming herself, I'd suggest that the dots can be joined between that, my pinned, and someone else's thread (now deleted) that explained things. If my naming does not mean this thread will be deleted then I will also do that as I'm thoroughly sick of it all. For me and the other named woman (not to mention four more) have this episode resurrected in what looks like an attempt to deflect from pushback over the anon account debate is just unacceptable. We are not part of any bullying, have no issues with JCJ, and woke up to find ourselves named in a 98 tweet thread. Of course I'm bloody unimpressed.

To be honest, JCJ named the victim of a sexual assault without informing the victim and that is illegal Afaik.

Its also immoral and needs to be condemned by everyone.

Politics in feminism has absolutely no place. Just like men. Supposed feminists throwing women under the bus for a pat on the head from men, however they Id, is anything but feminism. This is not the first time that the academics and those who hang of their every word have done this, nor will it be the last. It reeks of misogny and, classism and pure plain old jealousy.

Until women realise that feminism has no political colour, because both the right and the left will fcuk us over at the first chance they get, then it's useless trying to fight for our rights.

And to those who say JCJ didn't go on an epic rant I beg to differ, hours and 12 minutes of pure manure, lies and twisted Screenshots to rally against supposed twisted Screenshots, and 98 tweets, is indeed an epic rant

@DrLouiseJMoody
It is a great pity that, for all the talk of distancing, JCJ and Rosa Freedman did not feel the need to do that with Kinesis, a distinctly misogynistic TRA, and RF in particular, has well-publicized friendships with TRAs such as CursedE and Ramendik. Of course, be friends with who you like, but publicly distancing yourself from one group because their politics do not align with yours whilst publicly befriending abusive biological men is demonstrates a sort of hypocrisy that will not go unnoticed.
Well said Dr Louise Moody, I've wanted to point out this massive hypocrisy many times so thank you for articulating my thoughts, in a far better way than I ever could.

I'm not sure how anyone can bring themselves to be matey with Ramendik, who has to be one of the internet's most irritating people. He's basically feminist Wordpress's equivalent to herpes.