... it is useful to tussle out where the intellectual side of the conflict lies.
It is useful & important.
There needs to be clarity of position, thought & expression.
UncommonGround Media
by Dr Em
'Sexist History at the Heart of the ‘Science’ on Transsexualism, Part II: Robert Stoller, True Trans'
May 3, 2020
(extract)
"Many transsexuals go to great lengths to fit themselves to the prescribed body measurements and gestalt of a man-made woman’. In the same year the award winning psychologist and psychiatrist, Thomas Szasz, delineated the objectification of women when he asked
‘why should anyone (especially feminist women) object to men wanting to become women? Isn’t imitation the highest form of flattery? Precisely herein lies the “liberal” sexologists’ betrayal of human dignity and integrity: They support the (male) transsexual’s claim that he wants to be a woman — when, in fact, what he wants is to be a caricature of the male definition of “femininity.”
As this sexual paraphilia doesn’t remain in private but is being indulged in public aren’t all autogynephilic males when getting others to refer to them as women or participating in women’s events dressed as women, making people participate in their sexual fetish? What other male sexual turn on is demanded to be indulged by everyone? All of the time. When children are coerced to use preferred pronouns – pretend that a man is a woman – is this not coercing children to participate in a male’s sexual fetish? Would we ask children to paddle a submissive, because of his feelings? (continues)
Maybe there will be a switch to try and argue that the true trans are those who have undergone surgery, well women are not dickless men and it is misogynistic to define us as such. The notion that plastic surgery and or removal of a penis could make a woman was strongly criticised as it emerged as a field. In 1974 the psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Lawrence Kubie claimed that ‘what is miscalled “transsexualism” has led to the most tragic betrayal of human expectation in which medicine and modern endocrinology and surgery have ever engaged. In the name of gender transmutation they have led people to believe that alchemy was possible...." (continues)
concludes:
"I don’t believe that humans can change sex, or that children are born wrong, or that there are male and female brains, or that sex-role stereotypes are natural and innate, or that clothes are magical, or that males can be lesbians. I cannot pretend that sometimes I don’t believe these things. My beliefs and adherence to science and evidence do not alter at a whim, or whether I like a person. I treat all people the same when it comes to reality, law and philosophy built on that foundation. I don’t believe that women or women’s rights are a mental health retreat for unhappy men. I don’t believe that women and girls are fetish objects who exist to please men and that we should restructure our very definition of ourselves to satisfy a man’s sexual fantasy – autogynephilia. I think it is entitled sexism for a man to claim he ‘feels like a woman’ or ‘lives like a woman’ or ‘has sex like a woman’. Women live a variety of lives, have a variety of thoughts and emotions, a variety of hopes and dreams – the only thing that links us is our biology and the oppression we face based on our sex. I know women are fully human and deserve their human rights being upheld. I know women are discriminated against based on their sex and thus we need sex-based protections. Simply put, I am a feminist.
International law recognises that gender stereotypes are a form discrimination against women, thus the notion that gender stereotypes are natural and innate as purported by transsexualism/transgenderism clearly conflicts with the rights and interests of women. The United Nations Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) was written in 1979 and Article 5 declares that all States should take
‘appropriate measures [to]modify the social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women, with a view to achieving the elimination of prejudice and all other practices which are based on the idea of the inferiority or the superiority of either of the sexes or on stereotyped roles for men and women’ (continues)
The notion that those women who don’t believe, or will not pretend to believe to pacify men, in true trans are bigoted or mean or nasty is a repeat of the arguments that those women who don’t believe in transgenderism/transsexualism are bigoted and mean. We have all experienced the accusation of transphobe and the social exclusion when we stated our belief in biology, this is the same. It is undoubtedly appealing to refute the allegation of transphobia by saying ‘I have trans friends’ or ‘look, a trans person agrees with me’ but this both excludes women who need us (transwidows, daughters of trans identified fathers), muddies the waters and uses other people, those claiming to be trans, for one’s own ends. No person should be used as a means to an end. The belief that women have full humanity does not have to be defended by any kind of shallow show, our ideas and evidence stand on their own. With no reasonable scientific basis transsexualism/transgenderism remains at the status of an ideology, and an ideology which is antithetical to feminism."
uncommongroundmedia.com/robert-stoller-true-trans/
see also Part 1:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3896788-Important-series-of-articles-by-Dr-Em-Sexist-History-at-the-Heart-of-the-Science-on-Transsexualism-Part-I-Benjamin-Ihlenfeld-Money-Ehrhardt